Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Toslink question: glass vs. plastic

2008-09-20 Thread Craig
At work we send 1200GB/S for 100km and we always use glass but if you're talking SPDIF at around 5MB/S I'm a bit more cynical. Craig -- Craig MC2Slim - Windows Shell and J River Media Center Integration for Squeezebox. http://www.duff-zapp.co.uk

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Toslink question: glass vs. plastic

2008-09-20 Thread Themis
Craig;342251 Wrote: At work we send 1200GB/S for 100km and we always use glass but if you're talking SPDIF at around 5MB/S I'm a bit more cynical. CraigIt's not the same protocol, is it ? ;) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Toslink question: glass vs. plastic

2008-09-20 Thread Phil Leigh
Can't compare computer fibre with Toslink. Toslink is driven by a standard LED... Also, regardless of whether plastic or glass, the cable needs to be round in cross section to avoid asymmetric internal reflections. However, somewhere on these forums is the famous Sean Adams Toslink abuse post

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC or Headphones

2008-09-20 Thread btooze
My Duet is connected directly into a pair of Acoustic Energy Aego M speakers. For late night listening I use my Sennheiser PX 200 headphones connected to the headphone jack on the Aego M’s. I would like to improve my headphone listening and would like advice on the following options. 1)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is the DAC in the Squeeze the same as S3?

2008-09-20 Thread jimi00
I'll revive this thread once again beacause I have had the occasion to compare the analog output of my good old Slimp3 with a brand new SB3. Even if the parts and numbers should give a clear advantage to the newer model, all I can say is the Slimp3 wins hands down. The sound stage is more open

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC or Headphones

2008-09-20 Thread Themis
btooze;342302 Wrote: If I go for the DAC option, will I notice any sound improvement through the speakers compared to the stock output of the Duet.Hard to say... honestly I doubt, because the AegoM have a fast cut after 16kHz. If you feel the need of getting an external dac, then you'll

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Toslink question: glass vs. plastic

2008-09-20 Thread joeriz
So - dare I ask? What do folks recommend: the toslink or XLR connection? Joe -- joeriz Transporter rebuilt/modified Dynaco ST-70 amplifier JM Reynaud Arpeggione Signature speakers joeriz's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Toslink question: glass vs. plastic

2008-09-20 Thread Pat Farrell
Phil Leigh wrote: I really can't help thinking that a lot of these debates are driven by rational thinking overtaking practical reality. We know that the transmission qualities of glass can exceed those of plastic so we assume that a glass cable should sound better. can exceed doesn't lead to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC or Headphones

2008-09-20 Thread btooze
Sorry, should have read SR125. -- btooze btooze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52848

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Toslink question: glass vs. plastic

2008-09-20 Thread Phil Leigh
pfarrell;342334 Wrote: Phil Leigh wrote: I really can't help thinking that a lot of these debates are driven by rational thinking overtaking practical reality. We know that the transmission qualities of glass can exceed those of plastic so we assume that a glass cable should sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is the DAC in the Squeeze the same as S3?

2008-09-20 Thread Phil Leigh
jimi00;342312 Wrote: I'll revive this thread once again beacause I have had the occasion to compare the analog output of my good old Slimp3 with a brand new SB3. Even if the parts and numbers should give a clear advantage to the newer model, all I can say is the Slimp3 wins hands down. The

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Toslink question: glass vs. plastic

2008-09-20 Thread Pat Farrell
Phil Leigh wrote: pfarrell Wrote: Phil Leigh wrote: I really can't help thinking that a lot of these debates are driven rational thinking overtaking practical reality. We know that the transmission qualities of glass can exceed those of plastic so we assume that a glass cable should sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC or Headphones

2008-09-20 Thread blessingx
I'm not a big Grado fan, but the SR125s would be a major upgrade from the PX200s. If you go Grados and are deciding between SR80/SR125, I'd recommend you consider the Alessandro MS1s also. Basically SR125 specs at SR80 prices (if including shipping). Plus a slightly more neutral signiture. All

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is the DAC in the Squeeze the same as S3?

2008-09-20 Thread jimi00
Phil Leigh;342369 Wrote: Welcome to dreamland :o) The SB2 or 3 beats the SB1 for sound quality. That's NOT what I said. I was comparing a SB3 with a SLIMP3, not a SB1 (which, by the way, does not carry a Crystal DAC chipset). I truthfully dare anyone who still has a Slimp3 unit to compare

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is the DAC in the Squeeze the same as S3?

2008-09-20 Thread Themis
I don't think that the Crystal is better (or worse) than the BB. It's simply a matter of overall implementation. I'm not amazed that SB3 might sound worse than Slimp3, after all SBR sounds a bit under SB3 too. It IS intriguing, though, that the SliMP3 sounds better than the SB3 fed with lossless.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Toslink question: glass vs. plastic

2008-09-20 Thread NewBuyer
joeriz;342319 Wrote: So - dare I ask? What do folks recommend: the toslink or XLR connection? Joe In my limited experience, I've nearly always found the XLR connection (when available) to give best results. However I've also found that different audio pieces can be unpredictable, and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is the DAC in the Squeeze the same as S3?

2008-09-20 Thread jimi00
I dont have any audiophiles around me, but I recently had a friend over who wanted to show me his new power amp. So we played a bit with the sources to see what would give the best results and the SB3 got the worse rating between an iPod Classic, a Slimp3, a Denon DVD-1920 and the stereo dac of a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter initial impressions from a jaded audiophile

2008-09-20 Thread chesterdad
Dennis, I couldn't agree more about the music. Note my new post on the music section:) I guess my reference to Jaded Audiophile means I didn't think I could be impressed by new sources after swapping out alot of equipment over the years. -- chesterdad

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is the DAC in the Squeeze the same as S3?

2008-09-20 Thread seanadams
Slimp3 has a very primitive DAC circuit, terribly noisy power rails in comparison to SB3, and is simply inferior by any metric. I'm not saying it sucked for its time, but we've come a long way since 2001. And it doesn't even support FLAC/AIFF, so everything is being converted to MP3. The sound