Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread jgenner
Mnyb;519057 Wrote: > > What I did A-B test was the MeridianG98DH DVD/DVD-A player/CD Transport > compared to the SB3 as a digital transport. In this case I could make > sure that processing and volume was equal. > > The result If there is a difference it is very subtle I could not be > sure i d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Newbie to the squeeze

2010-02-20 Thread Mnyb
And if you have an SB3/Classic a 24/96 or a 24/192 file will be resampled to 24/48 by SOX for example the server knows what the hardware supports. If you wait a while you can get a Touch it supports 24/96 natively . Or a used Transporter it does 24/96 out of the box. The Squeezebox does not resam

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Newbie to the squeeze

2010-02-20 Thread Themis
ninjikiran;519027 Wrote: > > Of course I am skipping the dac in both scenarios but would the squeeze > box do anything to the output audio file? Like resample for instance. > My sound card the way its set up(with my audio player settings) sends > files as they were made. So a 16/44.1khz song

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread Mnyb
I got my HT processor before my Squeezebox, It's on it's 6 years old now now . That is one the one thing I never figured how to even A-B test ? 6ch processors ! To begin with they are not using the exact same algorithms for processing or subwoofer crossover, so I did try to test them side by sid

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread ninjikiran
There is a difference between cheap stuff and slightly more expensive stuff(and I mean slightly). If you can't tell the difference within 2-3 hours chances are they are not big enough to care about. There are some subtle differences with opamps though, swapping them without any pre-conceptions

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Newbie to the squeeze

2010-02-20 Thread ninjikiran
I have been interested in this device/similar. The only thing holding me back is how different it will be from my current setup. I don't really want the AQ to change, or for weird things to happen between my music and myself. My interest in the squeeze box is such that it is an external interfa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread Curt962
This is a great thread! I believe that what it really says is that the SB/TP designers did a really good job up front, and that easily definable/audible improvements are going to be difficult to come by. Real science and engineering trumps hype, and imagined improvements any day. I'm the bigges

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread Themis
Jörg you are not alone : I know plenty of people who can't hear differences between dacs when outputs are aligned. I also know a lot of people who can't hear differences between amplifiers (provided they don't get out of specs) and the same about interconnects or speaker cables. It is not a probl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread mlsstl
Jorg, one item that I don't think has been pointed out is that a DAC is an item that can be added to your system at any point down the road if you change your mind about audibility. Unlike making a present day decision to rip your CDs to MP3 quality instead of WAV or FLAC, deciding to stick with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread jgenner
Thanks for your answers. I would like to ask another question to those who believe: Did you calibrate the volume and switch from one source to the other (SB analog / SB external DAC) without knowing which one was playing? I did. And my system is € 1 overall. And yes, I hear differences. At le

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter troubleshooting question

2010-02-20 Thread cosmopolous
I tried the Xilinx reboot. I powered up holding the 1 button and releasing it when the "Programming Xilinx" appears. The unit goes into "Factory Reset" after the "Programming Xilinx" and does not come out of the factory reset loop. Logitech Transporter tech support not available on the weekends

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread iPhone
Phil Leigh;518901 Wrote: > I do - but I can understand others that hear little/no difference. There > are too many variables to say why that might be the case. Everybody has made some fine points, as Phil has pointed out - the variables could and can go on forever. Main Point: Listening Pleasu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread Mnyb
Phil Leigh;518901 Wrote: > I do - but I can understand others that hear little/no difference. There > are too many variables to say why that might be the case. +1 otherwise I would not have gotten my MeridianG68J (except for in combination with the DVDA player G98HD being one of very few system

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread Phil Leigh
DaveWr;518892 Wrote: > Well back to the OP. > > Phil & Themis obviously believe in external DACs > > So do I - Lavry DA10. > > Dave I do - but I can understand others that hear little/no difference. There are too many variables to say why that might be the case. -- Phil Leigh You

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread DaveWr
Well back to the OP. Phil & Themis obviously believe in external DACs So do I - Lavry DA10. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small form factor Amp/receiver

2010-02-20 Thread agentsmith
Why the new Naim Uniqute of course! http://www.naim-audio.com/unitiqute/index.html -- agentsmith System 1: Macbook Pro+Weiss DAC+Hi-Line+Naim 202/200/Hicap+Powerline/NAPSC, Harbeth Monitor 30 Bedroom System: SB2 or Airport Express connected via TOSLINK to a Meridian Alfred Dunhill AD88 Missing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small form factor Amp/receiver

2010-02-20 Thread raven22
aubuti;518676 Wrote: > I've seen good reviews of the Trends Audio T-10 amp > (http://www.trendsaudio.com/index.php), but I've never heard one. The > Parasound Zamp v3 may also fit the bill, although it's more of an > in-rack design than a bookshelf design. I have one and it is very good, it even

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread Themis
"Accuracy" is an approximation, anyway. It clearly depends where do you place your attention. Something "averagely" less accurate, may be more accurate in a particular subset, and, if these parameters are all you care, then it is more "accurate" for you. ;) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread Phil Leigh
Mnyb;518782 Wrote: > > Don't dive to deep into the exotic dac department, some loonies are > adamant to make their product sound really *different* Non oversampling > w/o filters tubes ? i/v stages made of resistors & paper oil caps and > countless other "cargo cult" engineering tricks. These pr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread Mnyb
jgenner;518768 Wrote: > "difference is in the ear of the beholder" > > Actually, it is not. As I already mentioned, we were not able to hear a > real difference. In particular, not the incredible effects some people > are raving about in reviews and forums. > > Of course, I know that a room can

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC - does it make a difference?

2010-02-20 Thread Phil Leigh
My 2 cents: the order of importance in terms of contribution to enjoyable sound is: {most important first} 1) the inherent sound of the recording 2) the room and its treatments 3) the speakers 4) the time of day and my frame of mind 5) the rest of the playback chain (transport, amps, dacs, power