Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-03-18 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;618875 Wrote: Have emailed. Hope I have not stepped out of line but I also turned Inguzeq to debug OK - can you email me your custom-convert.conf file please? I can see from the log that it is not being picked up by SBS - either it is in the wrong place or something is wrong with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-03-18 Thread adamdea
done -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-03-18 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;618909 Wrote: done OK - custom-convert.conf looks OK. According to your log, SBS is still detecting and using the original line from convert.conf for FLAC playback... [11-03-17 23:58:53.6462] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::getConvertCommand2 (424) Matched: flc-flc via: - Looks to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-03-18 Thread adamdea
Thanks I will check when I get home. I am fairly sure i used the version of plugin.pm you posted on this forum. I hope I did the right thing but i replaced every instance of convert-conf and plugin.pm with your versions. -- adamdea

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-03-18 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;618927 Wrote: Thanks I will check when I get home. I am fairly sure i used the version of plugin.pm you posted on this forum. I hope I did the right thing but i replaced every instance of convert-conf and plugin.pm with your versions. yes that should be fine... I presume you can see

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-03-18 Thread adamdea
Yes I can see that menu. The reason I was convinced it was not working was that I set balance as -9dB with no detectable impact. I noticed that in the instrctions on the Inguz website it seems that under settings/ player in the web gui one should also have some eq menu (I think i quoted the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q

2011-03-18 Thread alekz
Hands down. I went from Audioquest Slate to MIT T (forgot the proper name) series, then MIT T biwire, then several 750's (biwire and single wire) and finally own MIT Oracle v3 biwi. I clearly heard and hear the difference between all these cables. -- alekz Equipment: Transporter/PS Audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q

2011-03-18 Thread opaqueice
magiccarpetride;617581 Wrote: Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound quality. They certainly make a difference for me - when I disconnect them, I can't hear any music. But hook up a pair of coat hangers and everything is just fine

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q

2011-03-18 Thread konut
opaqueice;618956 Wrote: They certainly make a difference for me - when I disconnect them, I can't hear any music. But hook up a pair of coat hangers and everything is just fine http://consumerist.com/2008/03/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables.html Agreed. Try the cryoed coat

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q

2011-03-18 Thread Daverz
I don't think there is any way -not- to hear differences after installing a new cable. Our aural memory is just not that good. -- Daverz Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another trollicious question

2011-03-18 Thread Soulkeeper
AFAIU, the copper nuclei can wander in the direction of the current, if the current is strong enough. This will have the effect of making the cable thicker in some places and thinner in others, increasing overall resistance and decreasing homogenity. The effect is so small it's only practically

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q

2011-03-18 Thread Curt962
konut;618960 Wrote: Agreed. Try the cryoed coat hangers. They are aMZing! Ahhh I thought the Cryo-Hangers were a little veiled and closed in. Then it came to me: Pyramids! If they keep milk fresh, and knives sharp.what would happen if. OMG.Even live music sounds mid-fi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q

2011-03-18 Thread magiccarpetride
opaqueice;618956 Wrote: They certainly make a difference for me - when I disconnect them, I can't hear any music. But hook up a pair of coat hangers and everything is just fine http://consumerist.com/2008/03/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables.html A friend told me that coat

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread dhinesh
After researching a bit and reading up on the forum, I would like to set up my squeezebox touch as follows and any input, criticism, guidance, etc to help all of us get on the right path would help. I will post back my experience so others can learn as well: Current Setup: 1) Do not have an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-03-18 Thread adamdea
Phil Leigh;618924 Wrote: OK - custom-convert.conf looks OK. According to your log, SBS is still detecting and using the original line from convert.conf for FLAC playback... [11-03-17 23:58:53.6462] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::getConvertCommand2 (424) Matched: flc-flc via: -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread andynormancx
You can do all the clever stuff you like to the power for the NAS, but it won't make any changes to the data it delivers to the player. The Touch output is 100% bit perfect, as is are digital outputs on any other Squeezebox players when set to 100% volume with replaygain and fade in/out

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread Wombat
I have no Touch and love my Transporter but from reading all kinds of things making the Touch sounding better it must be a real broken design ;) -- Wombat Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Raise your hand if you're convinced that speaker cables make no difference to sound q

2011-03-18 Thread konut
The hook end captures the wattage, so thats the amp side. Squigly end is the speaker side. Don't over-think these things. -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread garym
The weak link in all this is the ReadyNas NV\+. It is way underpowered for running SbS. The readynas Pro will be ok in this regard. The rest of your suggestions are mostly snake oil as the TOUCH will already have bit perfect data via the S/PDIF input. -- garym

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread soundcheck
Wombat;619014 Wrote: I have no Touch and love my Transporter but from reading all kinds of things making the Touch sounding better it must be a real broken design ;) You gotta love your Transporter. You paid a lot if money for it. ;) I guess not very many people have considered to tweak

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread Wombat
soundcheck;619028 Wrote: Again. The Touch, a little tweaked, must be considered a door opener into audiophile spheres, especially if used as Transport. By no means I'd consider it a broken device. I still want to see any measurement at the digital out that prooves any of these tweaks do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread SuperQ
dhinesh;618995 Wrote: Planned Setup: 1)Perform Soundcheck mods as posted on his tutorial 2)Plug the NAS and the router into a conditioner / filter. Thinking of Shunyata Hydra 2. If I use a UPS, the hydra will go into the APC 1000 on line UPS. Use an audiophile cable from the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread JezA
Add up all the money you propose to spend on fancy power supplies, cables, NAS's and other voodoo. Spend it on a Transporter. Job done, right. -- JezA JezA's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread SuperQ
JezA;619070 Wrote: Add up all the money you propose to spend on fancy power supplies, cables, NAS's and other voodoo. Spend it on a Transporter. Job done, right. +1 to this Also on my top list of audio improvements: http://www.gooseisland.com -- SuperQ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread Wombat
About tweaking in general i have learned my lessons. I was hunting after so much things bettering the sound of everything in my sound-chain. You can read some of my findings on diyaudio.com When i was at it i believed in everything i heard and was comfortable with it so i posted about. While

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another trollicious question

2011-03-18 Thread JohnSwenson
Most wires have a grain structure where there are discontinuities in the crystal matrix. The impurities in the metal tend to congregate at the grain boundaries. These impurities cause a very weak semiconductor effect which does VERY SLIGHTLY effect the signal traveling through the cable. These

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another trollicious question

2011-03-18 Thread JohnSwenson
On the cable and burnin issue I HAVE heard a very slight burnin with some cables, and not with others. It has never been more than a slight effect. The cables that exhibit this tend to be the ones with multiple wires in complex geometries. My GUESS is that the manufacturing processes that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread JezA
If the people who design and make products design and make them properly they shouldn't need tweaking. If they do need tweaking, why throw good money after bad? Why not just buy something that works right in the first place? -- JezA

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread Robin Bowes
On 18/03/11 23:10, JezA wrote: If the people who design and make products design and make them properly they shouldn't need tweaking. If they do need tweaking, why throw good money after bad? Why not just buy something that works right in the first place? I don't disagree with your

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread Pat Farrell
On 03/18/2011 07:10 PM, JezA wrote: If the people who design and make products design and make them properly they shouldn't need tweaking. If they do need tweaking, why throw good money after bad? Why not just buy something that works right in the first place? I don't agree with this as a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread JezA
I agree that many designs have trade-offs. But in the context of this thread, where the o/p was trying to improve a Touch by (among other things) changing the power cable on his NAS, I am trying to suggest that, in the first instance, the best people to improve a Touch are Logitech themselves;

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread Wombat
I shouldn´t have joined that thread maybe but how people find the Touch reacting on so many magic tweaks only to sound much better at the digital out is just insane. People describe differences sometimes that even some totaly different speaker models will have problems to archive :) I bet 90% of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread magiccarpetride
Wombat;619035 Wrote: I wonder how many claims about bettering tweaks will vanish under such circumstances. EVERYTHING pretty much vanishes under the double blind ABX test circumstances. That's the fact that invalidates such a clever test. You can read up on it all over the web -- people.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread Wombat
magiccarpetride;619097 Wrote: Does this mean that we're just a bunch of jerks who are imagining that, upon paying lots of money, we get our money's worth? Draw the conclusions for yourself... I did abx tests 10 years back mcr and i passed several, so your assumption here may hit the nail

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread magiccarpetride
JezA;619084 Wrote: If the people who design and make products design and make them properly they shouldn't need tweaking. If they do need tweaking, why throw good money after bad? Why not just buy something that works right in the first place? This is wrong. Touch was designed to attract

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread magiccarpetride
Wombat;619098 Wrote: I did abx tests 10 years back mcr and i passed several, so your assumption here may hit the nail on the head. I'm sure you have the gold trophy that you proudly display on your mantelpiece. Also, I'm sure there is a wikipedia entry that celebrates your ABX

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread Wombat
magiccarpetride;619100 Wrote: I'm sure you have the gold trophy that you proudly display on your mantelpiece. Also, I'm sure there is a wikipedia entry that celebrates your ABX accomplishments. Can you send us the link? What you talk about? I have delivered several samples for tuning mp3 and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread dhinesh
SuperQ;619050 Wrote: 1) not sure what these are 2) Worthless from an audio perspective. Good idea to plug into an APC SmartUPS or Liebert PSA UPS. 3) Worthless, not how bits work 4) Worthless, not how bits work 5) Worthless You seem to be introducing a ton of completely useless and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread dhinesh
magiccarpetride;619099 Wrote: This is wrong. Touch was designed to attract mainstream market, not audiophiles. Hence they threw in a cheap-ass touch screen, as candy coating on a product. But, from the audio quality perspective, that touch screen is criminally bad, as it degrades the sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-18 Thread opaqueice
magiccarpetride;619097 Wrote: EVERYTHING pretty much vanishes under the double blind ABX test circumstances. That's the fact that invalidates such a clever test. That's just... not true at all. First of all, I personally have taken a fair number of ABX tests. Some I passed, some I failed.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another trollicious question

2011-03-18 Thread opaqueice
JohnSwenson;619078 Wrote: Most wires have a grain structure where there are discontinuities in the crystal matrix. The impurities in the metal tend to congregate at the grain boundaries. These impurities cause a very weak semiconductor effect which does VERY SLIGHTLY effect the signal

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another trollicious question

2011-03-18 Thread maggior
Soulkeeper;618868 Wrote: The growth of grass indicates the passage of time So does the hardening of paint as it dries... Figuring out the effects of aging wires on sound quality are as exciting and pointless as watching both phenomenona...imho. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4