Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-03-21 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;619535 Wrote: Thanks for all your help Phil. I now have inguzdsp.exe running. I am very grateful for your patience. I have had some fun playing with the controls. I seem to be able to control it from Ipeng. It took me some time to work out that I was stuck with some old settings

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-21 Thread soundcheck
Phil Leigh;619274 Wrote: OP: Back to ethernet... there are supposed to be isolating transformers at each end of an ethernet connection... Yep. * And a big fad polluted ground feeding all kind of mess into your device. No, there is nothing like an ITU-T (Telecommunications standards)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-03-21 Thread soundcheck
Hi folks. I left the SW side for a little while and concentrated on the HW: Below I at DIY-Audio: I now implemented some HW mods inside. 1. SPDIF cable directly connected to mainboard. 2. Additional piggyback-style OSCON capacitor add-ons on all exisiting ELCOs. 3. EMI/RFI protection

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-21 Thread firedog
Computer Audiophile in its review of the touch claims that the SPDIF output of the touch is bit perfect but I have my doubts as my ears are not HAPPY! Of course the SBT is bit perfect, but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what you hear. From bit perfect to the analogue you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-21 Thread johann
soundcheck;619567 Wrote: * And a big fad polluted ground feeding all kind of mess into your device. The Touch ground becomes the tip of your antenna. Do you mean this happens with shielded, unshielded or both type of cables? Cheers Johan -- johann

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-21 Thread garym
I can't recall if the OP was ever asked to check the SbS settings (SETTINGS PLAYERS Audio (dropdown menu), to make sure that BITRATE LIMITING is not turned on. If it is on, the OP may be listening to mp3 at LAME -V9 level. This would explain an unhappiness with the sound. -- garym

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-21 Thread Phil Leigh
soundcheck;619567 Wrote: Yep. * And a big fad polluted ground feeding all kind of mess into your device. No, there is nothing like an ITU-T (Telecommunications standards) conform grounding in place in 99.999% of all households. The Touch ground becomes the tip of your antenna. *

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-03-21 Thread Phil Leigh
soundcheck;619568 Wrote: Hi folks. I left the SW side for a little while and concentrated on the HW: Below quote I posted at DIY-Audio. Highly recommended! (For the brave DIY enthusiasts) I still need to figure out though how to run the Touch headless. I still havn't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-21 Thread darrenyeats
soundcheck;619567 Wrote: * though wired is still better than WLAN, which causes other problems inside the Touch. My DAC rejects jitter and I connect to it with an optical cable. Where is the problem? Darren -- darrenyeats

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-03-21 Thread soundcheck
Phil Leigh;619584 Wrote: Klaus - what DAC are you using? Phil I'm running 1. a Twisted Pear Buffalo II (ESS SABRE ES 9018 DAC) (battery powered) (DIY module) 2. a TI TAS 5706 full digital amp (battery powered) (DIY prototype) I listened to ( I just list IMO one of the top of the line

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-03-21 Thread darrenyeats
Eriko;615923 Wrote: So .. what's your actual suggestion? Which cheap products do you think give high-end sound? Which is, using the SB internal DAC with Inguz and using a Radio Shack Sound Level Meter to calibrate 20-200 frequencies and if needed, adjust higher freq. sounded much better than

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-21 Thread dhinesh
firedog;619570 Wrote: Of course the SBT is bit perfect, but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what you hear. From bit perfect to the analogue you hear lots of things happen: Jitter, RF interference, filtering etc. Noted. Taken care to ensure the rest of the equipment is good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-21 Thread soundcheck
dhinesh;619620 Wrote: If you take a look at hiface (m2 tech) and the modified hi face, Pure music, amarra, etc their whole selling point is to give you a bit perfect signal at the USB output and feed it to your dac via a digital cable. That's not correct. Amarra. Pure Music and so

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blacker blacks

2011-03-21 Thread magiccarpetride
mervin_b;619522 Wrote: It's not easy to describe, rather like there's less happening in quieter passages, allowing you to hear decaying acoustics and other low level detail better. Excellent explanation. I can easily understand the signal-to-noise ratio, and that when you lower the noise you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another trollicious question

2011-03-21 Thread magiccarpetride
maggior;619114 Wrote: So does the hardening of paint as it dries... Figuring out the effects of aging wires on sound quality are as exciting and pointless as watching both phenomenona...imho. Let me be honest with you: I've never heard the burn-in phenomenon in electronic components. I've

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blacker blacks

2011-03-21 Thread ralphpnj
magiccarpetride;619641 Wrote: Excellent explanation. I can easily understand the signal-to-noise ratio, and that when you lower the noise you can more easily perceive the signal. Still, it's the very signal itself that needs some tender loving care. Even in the absence of noise, the signal

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles

2011-03-21 Thread adamdea
dhinesh;619620 Wrote: However, nothing REPEAT nothing can beat the convenience of a NAS with all your music. Imagine using a hiface off your laptop. How much can you fit it? NOT MUCH as they recommend using Solid state drives. The bigger sizes are very expensive. I need 2 TB to fit my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blacker blacks

2011-03-21 Thread garym
magiccarpetride;619641 Wrote: Or would you say that I'm full of shit at this point? I'd say you were full of it long before this point. :-P -- garym garym's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread magiccarpetride
What is it in our hobby that provokes such nasty behavior, as illustrated not only on numerous audio forums, but even in some of the reputable publications: http://www.stereophile.com/thinkpieces/021708swiftboat/index.html As the author nicely points out, if I spend $20,000 on a wrist watch

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread mlsstl
magiccarpetride;619708 Wrote: What is it in our hobby that provokes such nasty behavior, as illustrated not only on numerous audio forums, but even in some of the reputable publications: http://www.stereophile.com/thinkpieces/021708swiftboat/index.html As the author nicely points out,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread magiccarpetride
mlsstl;619719 Wrote: As of late, you seem to have a flea in your fur that's demanding to be scratched. ;-) There are bitter people on both sides of all arguments. For every person who belittles expensive cables, there is an equally rabid fan who can hear the extra dose of rhythm and pace

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread snottmonster
This issue is one of veracity of the claims - not some personal vendetta against audiophiles As your post states, that $20,000 watch may be no more accurate than a Swatch but is there a claim that it is? More importantly, is the choice to buy such an item based heavily on such claimed better

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread magiccarpetride
snottmonster;619722 Wrote: This issue is one of veracity of the claims - not some personal vendetta against audiophiles As your post states, that $20,000 watch may be no more accurate than a Swatch but is there a claim that it is? More importantly, is the choice to buy such an item based

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread darrenyeats
magiccarpetride;619728 Wrote: Buyer beware, that's all that needs to be said in that context. Don't get upset if someone is gullible and falls for the snake oil. It's not your money at the end of the day. I think it's reasonable to provide opinions and challenge points of view you don't agree

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread snottmonster
darrenyeats;619731 Wrote: I think it's reasonable to provide opinions and challenge points of view you don't agree with. All part of being neighbourly... 100% agree - and all part of contributing to forums like this. magiccarpetride;619728 Wrote: Don't get upset if someone is gullible and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread mlsstl
magiccarpetride;619720 Wrote: So what's wrong with that? I'd only point out that you introduced this particular topic and framed as if it were a one-sided situation. I simply pointed out that wasn't the case. The super expensive wire cult believers get just as ill-tempered and defensive as the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blacker blacks

2011-03-21 Thread gungrog
ralphpnj;619650 Wrote: Well designed and built audio equipment should be capable of reproducing an audio signal as close as possible to the original event with as few compromises as possible. I'm liking that statement a lot. :-) -- gungrog SB3 - Roksan DA1 - DIY passive pre -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-03-21 Thread Kal Rubinson
darrenyeats;619592 Wrote: If the SB3 isn't high end (I am silent on this point) then Inguz can't help. The SB3 has a flat frequency response to begin with: http://www.stereophile.com/content/slim-devices-squeezebox-wifi-da-processor-measurements Almost as good as the SBT:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread dasmueller
There will always be someone with an opinion on a better solution/component etc. The key is if you are going to spend significant $ you should test out whatever it is in as similar an environment as you have as possible. If I could not do that I would not spend significant $. Now If I could only

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread pippin
magiccarpetride;619708 Wrote: they have no life I believe they have no life is the only reason I can imagine for both paying 20k bucks on a wristwatch or several hundred bucks for a power cable or several thousand bucks for a speaker cable. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread Curt962
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pissing contest

2011-03-21 Thread Daverz
pippin;619790 Wrote: I believe they have no life is the only reason I can imagine for both paying 20k bucks on a wristwatch or several hundred bucks for a power cable or several thousand bucks for a speaker cable. I should have such a life. -- Daverz