Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-08 Thread darrenyeats
John, I agree with Pippin that it's best to avoid the term "stair steps" for digital audio as this is misleading. Samples are valid only for moments in time. Darren Check it, add to it! http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Some Squeezebox numbers to consider...

2013-07-08 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: > Another MUSINGS post... > > Most folks here will know about this already. Wanted to answer a > question asked by a reader and put an opinion out there... > > http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/07/musings-is-cd-sound-quality-1644-pcm.html Your thoughts and comments are pretty

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-08 Thread flimflam
darrenyeats wrote: > John, I agree with Pippin that it's best to avoid the term "stair steps" > for digital audio as this is misleading. Each sample pertains to an > instant ... between those instants is an analogue waveform that we are > sampling or attempting to re-create. > Darren But what ar

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-08 Thread pippin
flimflam wrote: > But what are the "steps" undertaken in re-creating the waveform? Clue: > it's not called a smoothing filter for nothing! Yea. But that was my point. Unless you know exactly what your waveform is you are just as likely to AMPLIFY your noise than to SMOOTH your signal. To really

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-08 Thread darrenyeats
flimflam wrote: > But what are the "steps" undertaken in re-creating the waveform? Clue: > it's not called a smoothing filter for nothing! The whole point of the sampling theorem is that the samples define ALL of a complete and continuous analogue waveform of any complexity, as long as the origi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-08 Thread flimflam
pippin wrote: > Yea. But that was my point. Unless you know exactly what your waveform > is you are just as likely to AMPLIFY your noise than to SMOOTH your > signal. To really be able to "smooth" you'd have to analyse the whole > signal spectrum and you'd have to do that over some time - ideally

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-08 Thread pippin
OK, but that's not "smoothing", that's just low-pass filtering, which ideally removes ALL effects of the "stair-steps". However, here we are not talking about analog processing BEHIND the DAC, we talk about digital processing BEFORE the DAC. And here "smoothing" is not simple and any kind of arit

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-08 Thread flimflam
pippin wrote: > OK, but that's not "smoothing", that's just low-pass filtering Same thing! Smoothing filter is a specific and recognised term for this filter - whether you like it or not :-) ! The term is used by many, Analog Devices refer to it by this name a lot. That the stair steps are smooth

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-08 Thread pippin
flimflam wrote: > Same thing! Smoothing filter is a specific and recognised term for this > filter - whether you like it or not :-) ! The term is used by many, > Analog Devices refer to it by this name a lot. That the stair steps are > smoothed seems obvious, the term does not mean to imply anyth