Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-05 Thread Deaf Cat
Cool, Good to know! Especially about the boks, Cheers :-D -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-03 Thread Deaf Cat
I'm really rather glad you guys have posted, initially I thought it was a simple subject of twiddle with the DCX to get it sounding right by ear :-o Just shows a little knowledge could be disastrous. Now one feels enlightened, and incapable of setting up an active crossover, so am rather

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-03 Thread Phil Leigh
Deaf Cat;634667 Wrote: I'm really rather glad you guys have posted, initially I thought it was a simple subject of twiddle with the DCX to get it sounding right by ear :-o Just shows a little knowledge could be disastrous. Now one feels enlightened, and incapable of setting up an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-02 Thread Deaf Cat
MediaCenter;634376 Wrote: I also should warn you that it is addictive and fun but getting it right and settling down on a sound is very difficult.. Thank you for the warning, I noticed that when listening to dacs, each style of tune that was played, I prefered a different dac. So stayed with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-02 Thread Mnyb
Well speaker response can be measured with surprisngly good accurace even with hobby software, bass response can be hard to measure without an aneoic chamber but the important part around the midrange xover piont and impulse response and some more. In fact in a case like the one you are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-02 Thread Phil Leigh
Mnyb;634410 Wrote: Well speaker response can be measured with surprisngly good accurace even with hobby software, bass response can be hard to measure without an aneoic chamber but the important part around the midrange xover piont and impulse response and some more. In fact in a case

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-02 Thread Deaf Cat
Mnyb;634410 Wrote: Your friend with the Linn cards does he know what he is doing ? will he know what is the right settings for your speakers ? it is not that simple as just choosing a frequency ? Yes he repairs quite high end hifi stuff, has built his own active crossovers from scratch, and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-02 Thread Phil Leigh
Deaf Cat;634550 Wrote: Yes he repairs quite complicated hifi stuff, and recommended the Linn cards for my set up, but also suggested it may be a bit of a waste, on my current speakers :-( Good I like the idea of soldered parts for the crossover so I can't play, and will leave it up to the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-02 Thread Mnyb
Phil Leigh;634554 Wrote: Because they make custom boards for every speaker in their range(s). They aren't generic designs. Every PCB is different... The only generic thing is their PSU and mounting arrangements so that they fit into LINN AMPS... Yea but are we talking about a pair of linn

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-01 Thread Deaf Cat
Ah well, I was thinking my speakers needed just a little lift of some sort, slightly sweeter in the mids maybe. I started to look into upgrading the passive crossover components, changing the capacitors etc, or rebuilding the whole crossover. As time is some what short for hobbies at the moment

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-01 Thread Mnyb
Deaf Cat;634288 Wrote: Ah well, I was thinking my speakers needed just a little lift of some sort, slightly sweeter in the mids maybe. I started to look into upgrading the passive crossover components, changing the capacitors etc, or rebuilding the whole crossover. As time is some what

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-01 Thread Deaf Cat
:-) my diy skills would probably streach to replacing like valued components with upgraded like valued components, and was thinking a passive crossover should be pretty simple... Swaying towards the active, I mentioned it in passing to the guy who fixed my pre/pro, he thinks he would be able to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-06-01 Thread MediaCenter
Deaf Cat;634320 Wrote: :-) my diy skills would probably streach to replacing like valued components with upgraded like valued components, and was thinking a passive crossover should be pretty simple... Swaying towards the active, I mentioned it in passing to the guy who fixed my pre/pro,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-31 Thread Deaf Cat
Mnyb;633874 Wrote: I think it would work just fine, I think so too. Just seems a bit unnecessary for me to convert to analogue then have the new box convert AtoD and then DtoA once again... Or to avoid all these conversions, just don't use my pre/pro... hmmm I shall read some more of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-31 Thread Mnyb
What kind of projekt is this as you wanted active xover ? Do you plan to build your own speakers :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-30 Thread adamdea
Does anyone know if the dcx will pass a/ some digital out, as one might want to one ones choice of DAC -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-29 Thread Deaf Cat
Ah ha, so it can be done that is wonderfull, but, splitting the 2 channels to 4, pcm will loose some sound quality? even if the same amount of music information is there, just because it it split into 4 channels rather than 2 some quality will be lost, am I understanding that right? -- Deaf

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-29 Thread Mnyb
What henry is sugesting is using AC3 aka Dolby Digital (or DTS) . In this case a single SPDIF ch can carry 5.1 or 6ch channels as a dolby or DTS bitstream . But it is a lossy format both dolby and dts or similar to mp3 and other lossy formats in that it sacrifies some soundquality. I have no

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-29 Thread Deaf Cat
Yes, DD, DTS, that is what I was thinking could be used, but was unsure how, nice to know it can be done, but it did not occur to me that one would loose some sound quality in doing so. Yes, I was wondering if a digital crossover could be implemented in slimserver some how. I read that a nice

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-29 Thread Mnyb
Spdif is an old ca 1979 standard, it is simply not made for this aplication it is probaly not technically hard to do nowadays it's simply not in the protocoll hence not suported by any ic etc. There exist other propriotary and pro standards for multichannel pcm. My meridian gear have it's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-29 Thread Deaf Cat
Ah, that is more than likely why it has not been done already, and why I could not find any information on how to do it. I guess Meridian found their own way around it. HDMI, hmmm my processor is pre HDMI, good job really, as I can't program and spare time... what is that? ;-) So it looks

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-29 Thread Phil Leigh
You can do this, but NOT with SB gear. You need a multichannel (at least 4) soundcard that can put out parallel spdif streams. If you really want to use digital crossovers and SB's, get a DCX2496 and forget about server-side crossovers (but you can use Inguz for DRC). If you want server-side

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-29 Thread Mnyb
This Behringer DCX2496 unit is susprisingly cheap :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-29 Thread Deaf Cat
Cheers Phil for the confirmation of, no go with the SB, and the other possible options :-) Ah yes, the DCX2496 is rather reasonable, quite tempting to have a punt, but in reading more noticed it's analogue inputs are converted to digital and then back to analogue, I may guess, this could degrade

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-29 Thread Mnyb
the Dcx also has a digital input. Oh it has 24bit adc for analog signals ,but some the tricks it performs is only feasible in the digital domain ? and if one looks at the total performance, passive fillters still sucks AND analog active fillters are not free from artifacts either, once in the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-28 Thread Deaf Cat
Hi, Just starting to try and understand all the different speaker crossover options. It seems to make sence to me to have something like an inguz plugin that can filter frequencies in the digital domain, split them to hi and lo and left and right and run the pcm to, and out of, a SB, and into a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-28 Thread Henry66
Split each channel into a separate WAV file. Then use the free 'wav2ac3 encoder' (http://wav2ac3.sourceforge.net) to encode multiple channels to AC3. Then use the techniques in 'this thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19260) to encapsulate them for S/PDIF. (After that I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo

2011-05-28 Thread Mnyb
A spdif interface can only carry 2ch of pcm audio ( lossy bitstreams is another story ) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100