I tried a Blue Jeans 3 foot plastic optical cable and came up thoroughly
unimpressed. Both connectors were sloppy fitting.
Then I tried one of those Amazon Cables to Go 3ft glass cable. Great
snug fitting connectors and the sound was a big improvement over the BJ
cable.
I am usually highly skept
Toslink's presentation is just very (for lack of a better word) -clean-.
IMO it's the lack of an electronic connection, that makes for the
blacker background, smoother treble, more solidified bass.
--
steveinaz
- transport: squeezebox touch / ci audio ps
- dac: benchmark dac/pre
- linestage: p
This thread had me experimenting again.
It still baffles me that the audible differences between digital cables
can be so large; between my Touch and Rega DAC I used to use an Oyaide
510. Beautiful well made cable, pure silver, multiple shields, and it
sounded great with former dacs. However, with
guidof;673467 Wrote:
> If one would like to keep the Toslink neutrality but avoid any perceived
> sterility, I might suggest trying different interconnects on the analog
> end of things and playing around with speakers positioning and
> subwoofer (if any) settings.
>
> Guido F.
Absolutely, fin
steveinaz;673458 Wrote:
>
> I think a lot of the negativity around Toslink is unfounded. I find it
> to be quite nice, especially the smoothness in treble. It IS very
> neutral however---almost sterile.
I fully agree that the conventional negative view of Toslink is
generally unfounded.
In my
I experienced a huge difference in the sound. I am not sure if it's the
quality of the optical being lousy or the coax being extremely good but
myself and two sons all three unanimously agree that the optical
sounded flatter and very uninviting. It was years ago and havent
experimented with it s
adamdea;670941 Wrote:
> Interesting.
> Mind you, do you know your findings would be a tremendous
> disappointment to the designers of your Dac, who are quite insistent
> that it is entirely immune to jitter.
Yeah, Benchmark also claims transports won't sound different--they're
wrong on that coun
steveinaz;670899 Wrote:
> This might help; though this stuff can be very subjective.
>
> My CEC CD Player has toslink/coax/AES-EBU over XLR outputs available,
> so i decided to do a comparion of the 3, running into a Benchmark DAC1.
> I used each interface for 2 months, and here is what I found:
This might help; though this stuff can be very subjective.
My CEC CD Player has toslink/coax/AES-EBU over XLR outputs available,
so i decided to do a comparion of the 3, running into a Benchmark DAC1.
I used each interface for 2 months, and here is what I found:
1. AES/EBU: Rendered the warmest
I had, for many years, connected to my DAC with a Canare-sourced coax by
Have. It sounded fine, I thought. But reading this thread got me to
think of trying a Toslink connection. Being cheap, I first tried an
Amazon Basic optical cable(about $8). I didn't expect much, but I was
astonished at how d
The coax inputs (and USB input) of the Rega DAC are also isolated (at
least 'according to Rega' (http://www.rega.co.uk/html/DAC.htm)) so it
shouldn't be a problem.
--
Soulkeeper
-that is not dead which can eternal lie. and with strange aeons even
death may die.-
touch (sans caps) + duet + boom
Phil Leigh;661835 Wrote:
> The TOSLINK will not interfere with the coax BUT the coax provides an
> electrical connection and the whole benefit of TOSLINK is to remove
> that connection and provide galvanic isolation!
> So... Only connect one cable.
Hope this is only when connecting from an outpu
Phil Leigh;661835 Wrote:
> The TOSLINK will not interfere with the coax BUT the coax provides an
> electrical connection and the whole benefit of TOSLINK is to remove
> that connection and provide galvanic isolation!
> So... Only connect one cable.
Thanks, Phil. Much appreciated.
--
rgro
Rg
castalla;661484 Wrote:
> - quote
>
> If you can get one for £20-£30 I'd say it was worth it.
>
> - unquote
>
> Worth it, in what way ? Did you do a blind test with a 5 quid cable?
What I meant was: for that money it is worth - in my opinion - picking
one up and trying it for yourself to see
The TOSLINK will not interfere with the coax BUT the coax provides an
electrical connection and the whole benefit of TOSLINK is to remove
that connection and provide galvanic isolation!
So... Only connect one cable.
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl..
Mnyb;661822 Wrote:
> It may confuse an autosensing dac ( and you ) which input are you
> listening to :)
I am quite easily confused, but the dac is not [autosensing]!! The
Rega's inputs are manually selected
--
rgro
Rg
System information
Main: PS Audio Quintet
It may confuse an autosensing dac ( and you ) which input are you
listening to :)
--
Mnyb
Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x
MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadi
For the true gurus out there:
I'm just curious.is there any penalty or downside to leaving both
coax and optical connected---understanding that they're both
simultaneously activeto the dac from the Touch, or is preferred (in
the electrical/acoustical sense) to disconnect whichever cable
adamdea;661722 Wrote:
> It would appear that you either
>
> a) have a competently designed DAC and a refreshing lack of neurotic
> audiophile tendency to imagine differences; or
>
> b) are hopelessly cloth eared; or
>
> c) have by coincidence chanced upon 2 cables which just happen to sound
>
adamdea;661722 Wrote:
> It would appear that you either
>
> a) have a competently designed DAC and a refreshing lack of neurotic
> audiophile tendency to imagine differences; or
>
> b) are hopelessly cloth eared; or
>
> c) have by coincidence chanced upon 2 cables which just happen to sound
>
rgro;661682 Wrote:
> I've been using coax from Blue Jeans cable to connect my Touch to my
> dac. Got curious after following this thread and ordered one of Blue
> Jeans' optical cables (about US $13 for a 4 foot length). After it
> arrived yesterday, plugged it in and did about 30 min of a/b lis
I've been using coax from Blue Jeans cable to connect my Touch to my
dac. Got curious after following this thread and ordered one of Blue
Jeans' optical cables (about US $13 for a 4 foot length). After it
arrived yesterday, plugged it in and did about 30 min of a/b listening
(not blind---my able
There are two major "camps" with regard to digital audio optical cables,
single fiber and multi-fiber. Why the difference?
The traditional optical cable uses a large (at least in regards to a
wavelength of light) single plastic fiber. This means that light rays
entering the fiber at different ang
- quote
If you can get one for £20-£30 I'd say it was worth it.
- unquote
Worth it, in what way ? Did you do a blind test with a 5 quid cable?
--
castalla
1 Touch - cheap unbranded optical cable - old Sony Microsystem -
Aqustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purrfekt!
--
I'm a little late to the party on this discussion, and in my present set
up have no need to let my cold, naked bits stray outside of my
Transporter.With that said, I HAVE in the past used both Optical &
AES/EBU connections between the transporter and a DEQ 2496.
* Amazon Basic Toslink. About
Phil Leigh;661455 Wrote:
> Bob, I'm no expert but I've found that Van Den Hul Optocoupler Mkii is
> available at reasonable prices in the UK - I think it is circa £65 new
> but I bought a perfect used one from eBay recently for £20 inc postage
> - bargain!
>
> If you can get one for £20-£30 I'd
bobertuk;661452 Wrote:
> Hi Phil,
>
> Out of interest, what makes of Toslink cable would be considered good
> quality without costing 'thousands'. This is a genuine question - not a
> troll. I have only ever bought £5 - £10 cables and don't want to find
> out the hard way that more expensive cab
Phil Leigh;661442 Wrote:
> Could be - if you are using coax, 1.5m is the generally-accepted minimum
> length :-)
>
> There is no "length" issue with good quality Toslink cables. "Good
> Quality" does not mean it costs thousands...
Hi Phil,
Out of interest, what makes of Toslink cable would be
slartibartfast;661424 Wrote:
> I've used coax from my receiver ever since I bought my V-DAC because
> everyone seems to say that coax is better than optical. I recently
> splashed out £5 on a Toslink cable from Amazon just to try it and not
> expecting to hear any difference, but I was pleasantly
I've used coax from my receiver ever since I bought my V-DAC because
everyone seems to say that coax is better than optical. I recently
splashed out £5 on a Toslink cable from Amazon just to try it and not
expecting to hear any difference, but I was pleasantly surprised to say
the least when I fou
Coax remains popular In Audiofool land because it's much easier to make
and sell a $1,000 coax cable...
That doesn't stop Nordost selling a $33K toslink cable. I wonder how
many of those they have ever sold - and who bought them?
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets on
I use optical with my Benchmark HDR - because of probably irrational
fear of EMI. But I hear no difference between coax and optical when I
compare A/B.
Darren
--
darrenyeats
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503.
Here's an interesting post from Sean Adams, back in 2005, on the
subject:
seanadams;39192 Wrote:
> ...Personally I find it unfortunate that S/PDIF was ever specified to
> run over coax copper in the first place. There are some who claim it's
> better than fiber for various reasons, but all empir
It's an intriguing question. The problem seems to be that the idea has
been implanted in audiophiles that toslink is inherently inferior. This
is curious because the same audiophiles are happy to spend a fortune on
cables and transports designed to minimise problems of noise and
impedance which to
The receivers add a fair amount of jitter on their own. Either the
photodetectors or the electronics used to amplify them are slow and
noisy, the signal takes a long time to rise and there is a fair amount
of noise on that ramp, which means the uncertainty in the threshold can
cover a fair amount
TOSLINK transmitters are LEDs... Receivers are photodiodes. Modern
TOSLINK interfaces can easily handles 16mbps which is plenty.
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - M
Yes the fiber can handle huge bandwidths, but there are two major issues
with common "TOSLINK".
One is the fiber itself, its a "multimode" fiber, its physically much
larger than a wavelength of the light used. The result is that light
entering the fiber at different angles can take different pat
adamdea;656213 Wrote:
> *where's the problem?*
probably somewhere between the ears ;)
--
Mnyb
Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x
MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel
I find the whole interface jitter thing a bit puzzling unless it means
that the receiver can't decode the bits in the signal. I really
struggle to understand how the remaining problem of matching the
long-term clock drift could defeat the ingenuity of an electrical
engineer. That's the only thing
adamdea;656162 Wrote:
> Fibre optic cables are able to transmit data at huge bandwidths without
> (as far as I am aware) huge issues,
> Yet there appears to be an audiophile consensus that coax sounds better
> than toslink.
> Can anyone explain why this might be.
> Therre is a tremendous amount
adamdea;656162 Wrote:
> Fibre optic cables are able to transmit data at huge bandwidths without
> (as far as I am aware) huge issues,
> Yet there appears to be an audiophile consensus that coax sounds better
> than toslink.
> Can anyone explain why this might be.
> Therre is a tremendous amount
Fibre optic cables are able to transmit data at huge bandwidths without
(as far as I am aware) huge issues,
Yet there appears to be an audiophile consensus that coax sounds better
than toslink.
Can anyone explain why this might be.
Therre is a tremendous amount of interest on this forum for softw
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