Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-04-07 Thread bhaagensen
nathan_h;413393 Wrote: I realize it's possible to do digital volume control that doesn't introduce audible problems (loss of dynamic range, etc) Your saying loss of dynamic range is an audible problems and moreover quantify by etc... I don't know about that. Depends on the degree imho. I am

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-04-07 Thread bhaagensen
nathan_h;413538 Wrote: I think a few devices have implemented smart digital volume control that doesn't just shave bit depth. The Squeeze* products are among those (on 16bit source material). Volume control is done on a 24bit representation of the signal. But that only means that one

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-04-07 Thread nathan_h
bhaagensen;413542 Wrote: The Squeeze* products are among those (on 16bit source material). Volume control is done on a 24bit representation of the signal. But that only means that one maintains digital *resolution* (until some rather low level). Well, that's not too bad then. Does that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-04-07 Thread bhaagensen
nathan_h;413545 Wrote: Well, that's not too bad then. No I think its as good as it gets :) Does that mean the output from the SPDIF is at 24 bit, too, when using digital volume control? I believe so, but according to the specs it can do both, 16 and 24. I don't know what mechanisms

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-04-07 Thread Phil Leigh
bhaagensen;413549 Wrote: No I think its as good as it gets :) I believe so, but according to the specs it can do both, 16 and 24. I don't know what mechanisms decide which. AFAIK output of the SB is ALWAYS 24-bit. Regardless of input. Same as TACT gear - same approach to digital volume

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-04-07 Thread Phil Leigh
nathan_h;413551 Wrote: That's good to know. I'm surprised it's not clear in any of the specs that this is: 1. How the digital volume control works, since it is superior to most other methods, and 2. that the digital output is always 24 bit. I guess the only downside is that: 1.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-04-07 Thread nathan_h
That's good to know. I'm surprised it's not clear in any of the specs that this is: 1. How the digital volume control works, since it is superior to most other methods, and 2. that the digital output is always 24 bit. I guess the only downside is that: 1. If you are trying to stream HDCD

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-04-07 Thread nathan_h
Good to know. Thanks. -- nathan_h nathan_h's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22786 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60871

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-04-06 Thread nathan_h
Based on that bug it's not clear to me the method that will be employed via digital volume. Will it be truncating bit depth, or something more elegant? I realize it's possible to do digital volume control that doesn't introduce audible problems (loss of dynamic range, etc) but it's not clear if

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-03-03 Thread karlinamillion
I have a SB3, which I use, digits out, to a Tact pre-amp, but sometimes use it with the headphone out feeding the dining room system, which has no volume control, but relies on the variable out of the SB. Just updated the squeezecentre software, and the SB did a firmware update to. In the past I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-03-03 Thread DaveWr
I believe the only way is to use an old squeezecenter and firmware combination. This feature disappeared some time ago.. David -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-03-03 Thread karlinamillion
What a burn! Seems a rather 'odd' feature -- karlinamillion karlinamillion's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13106 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60871

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-03-03 Thread radish
There were good reasons but I forget them right now :) -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60871

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-03-03 Thread Phil Leigh
I seem to recall this was necessitated because of firmware memory restrictions (this might be wrong). It is tedious that a feature that used to work perfectly has been removed - presumably to fit some other feature in. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume output fixed/variable

2009-03-03 Thread radish
Looks like there's a willingness to put this option back, vote/comment on this bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9053 -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this