Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-23 Thread Soulkeeper
If Windows Vista sets the standard for "Intelligent Design", I choose evolution every day. ;) -- Soulkeeper -That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die.- — — — 'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17797)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-20 Thread Mnyb
darrell;685386 Wrote: > I am reminded by the references in this thread to the (alleged) > Almighty, of someone I worked with many years ago, who thought that the > beauty of Microsoft Windows was proof of the existence of God. And that > was Windows 98! Talking about low expextations :) One thin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-20 Thread darrell
I am reminded by the references in this thread to the (alleged) Almighty, of someone I worked with many years ago, who thought that the beauty of Microsoft Windows was proof of the existence of God. And that was Windows 98! -- darrell

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-12 Thread ralphpnj
After looking through the thread I'm sad to say that bit perfect can not be improved upon. In other words, no software or hardware has the ability to make the one and zeros of a digital file more one or zero like. Now if only the so called experts in the high end audio press would get their heads

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-06 Thread magiccarpetride
garym;682170 Wrote: > Only if one believes in [a] God. Not everyone does. There is no place for infidels on this forum. The arrow has already been shot... -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimd

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-06 Thread pippin
I would not go as far as to call Philips a "God". -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?useri

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-06 Thread garym
magiccarpetride;682164 Wrote: > True. However, system design is God given, you must admit to that. Only if one believes in [a] God. Not everyone does. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-06 Thread magiccarpetride
pippin;682001 Wrote: > Oh, and the bit-perfection isn't God given, it's the result of the > system design. True. However, system design is God given, you must admit to that. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-06 Thread Soulkeeper
pippin;682001 Wrote: > Oh, and the bit-perfection isn't God given, it's the result of the > system design. You cruel, cruel man. ;) -- Soulkeeper -That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die.- — — — 'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com' (http://bugs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-05 Thread chill
pippin;682001 Wrote: > If you've got a decent DAC I bet that you will not be able to tell apart > the 18$ CD player from a 28.000$ CD player in a double-blind test. Yes. This is what makes a good DAC, with multiple inputs, such a good investment. Mine acts as my sole source selector (the only s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-05 Thread pippin
If you've got a decent DAC I bet that you will not be able to tell apart the 18$ CD player from a 28.000$ CD player in a double-blind test. Yes. But then I know, you can't trust your ears in double-blind tests, the ears have to know what they are expected to hear to work properly -- pippin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-05 Thread SuperQ
pippin;681535 Wrote: > Now, it's up to you what you want to believe. This is why the only thing I tweak these days is the amount of herbs and spices I put in my food. Also the quantity and quality of the beer that goes with it. :-) -- SuperQ --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-05 Thread ralphpnj
Being a long time member of the this forum I am fairly certain that taken as a group the members of this forum are very knowledgeable about digital audio. And they are also fans and users of the various Squeezebox devices as way to listen to digital audio. With that in mind I would like to try and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-05 Thread magiccarpetride
pippin;681535 Wrote: > It can't. > The only thing that stays a little bit open is the signal clock towards > the DAC and that's not an issue if the DAC does re-clocking. And even if > it does not (DAC's built in the last millennium sometimes don't do it), > the clock needs to be _really_ bad for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-05 Thread pippin
ralphpnj;681462 Wrote: > Specifically I don't understand how once a "bit perfect" data stream is > obtained any piece of software can make this "bit perfect" data stream > sound better without actually changing the data stream and therefore > making the once "bit perfect" data stream no longer "b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-05 Thread Soulkeeper
ralphpnj;681462 Wrote: > 1) Exactly what does "bit perfect" mean It means that a given sequence of bits on a CD will result in the exact same bit sequence being fed into the DAC, even after going through the processes of ripping, storing/encoding, and streaming. ralphpnj;681462 Wrote: > 2) What