Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Justin Dray
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:01 Sam S. wrote: > > Note that we do keep the Git repositories of deleted packages, > > so if anybody wants to maintain the package later, he can always clone > > the repository of the deleted package, fix the package and simply push > > it afterwards > > Can you give some

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Sam S.
> Note that we do keep the Git repositories of deleted packages, > so if anybody wants to maintain the package later, he can always clone > the repository of the deleted package, fix the package and simply push > it afterwards Can you give some details on that? For example the libtiff4 package (w

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Doug Newgard
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:05:08 +0200 Lukas Fleischer wrote: > I consider this a slight abuse of the orphan/disown functionality. Oh, and I also wanted to point out that this is just one use-case. There are others, such as the v8 package that was recently dropped from [community] to the AUR. Should

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Doug Newgard
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:05:08 +0200 Lukas Fleischer wrote: > I consider this a slight abuse of the orphan/disown functionality. > Wikipedia defines orphan as > > [...] a child whose parents are dead or have abandoned them > permanently. > > In my opinion, orphan packages should be defined

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread DerBaer
>> So maybe we need to improve the way changing maintainership >> works. Having a "Give up for adoption" button (that keeps the current >> maintainer while allowing anybody to adopt the package) in addition to >> "Disown" is one possibility. > What is the point of the "disown" button then, if it d

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Em 12-08-2015 06:05, Lukas Fleischer escreveu: > Maybe you could at least add yourself as a co-maintainer for now. Or if > you are really *actively* trying to find new maintainers, it probably > wouldn't hurt if you were listed as a maintainer until you find > somebody. I had some dependencies iss

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Sam S.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Lukas Fleischer wrote: > Wikipedia defines orphan as > > [...] a child whose parents are dead or have abandoned them > permanently ...but new parents may want to adopt them, if given the opportunity. Deleting *long-time* orphaned packages may increase th

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Lukas Fleischer
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 at 05:49:58, Doug Newgard wrote: > [...] > You're making one massive and incorrect assumption: that packages that don't > have an official "Maintainer" listed are broken. But you have no idea why > they're orphaned. > > In my case, I have some that I'm actively trying to get ma

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Bruno Pagani
Le 12 août 2015 07:51:28 GMT+02:00, Justin Dray a écrit : >On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 at 15:37 Rob McCathie wrote: > >> On 12/08/15 13:49, Doug Newgard wrote: >> > In my case, I have some that I'm actively trying to get maintainers >> > for; in the mean time, I'm looking after them even though they ar

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Justin Dray
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 at 15:37 Rob McCathie wrote: > On 12/08/15 13:49, Doug Newgard wrote: > > In my case, I have some that I'm actively trying to get maintainers > > for; in the mean time, I'm looking after them even though they are > > listed as being orphaned. Is this not to be allowed now? Sho

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Rob McCathie
On 12/08/15 13:49, Doug Newgard wrote: In my case, I have some that I'm actively trying to get maintainers for; in the mean time, I'm looking after them even though they are listed as being orphaned. Is this not to be allowed now? Should all "orphan" packages in the official repos be deleted, j

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Kaylor
> > Several notification emails were sent directly rather than via aur-general. > > Yes, but that isn't the same thing. Being subscribed to the list would (should?) have made people aware of most of the issues surrounding the migration, including the motivations behind it and the expectations of ma

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Doug Newgard
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 05:16:03 +0200 Lukas Fleischer wrote: > Hi, > > There seems to be quite some confusion about the package migration > process and about package deletion. I would like to clarify my point of > view. Hopefully it serves as a basis for discussion (i.e. technical > discussion with

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Daniel Micay
> Thanks for clarifying your point of view Lukas. I think some AUR > maintainers are out-of-the-loop on the migration issues, for one reason or > another. I suspect some simply weren't subscribed to this list over the > last few months. Several notification emails were sent directly rather than vi

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Kaylor
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Lukas Fleischer wrote: > Hi, > > There seems to be quite some confusion about the package migration > process and about package deletion. I would like to clarify my point of > view. Hopefully it serves as a basis for discussion (i.e. technical > discussion withou

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Kaylor
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:23 PM, David Phillips wrote: > I suppose some may subscribe to the view that if someone wants it > badly enough, they'll submit, maintain and stick with it. > Exactly.

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Lukas Fleischer
Hi, There seems to be quite some confusion about the package migration process and about package deletion. I would like to clarify my point of view. Hopefully it serves as a basis for discussion (i.e. technical discussion without attacking anybody personally). As already mentioned a couple of tim

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Justin Dray
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:24 David Phillips wrote: > I suppose some may subscribe to the view that if someone wants it > badly enough, they'll submit, maintain and stick with it. > In my case, I uploaded a perfectly working package for LSI raid controllers, but someone commented that a newer version

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Phillips
I suppose some may subscribe to the view that if someone wants it badly enough, they'll submit, maintain and stick with it.

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Antonio Rojas
David Kaylor Wrote in message: > - Second, uploading something to AUR4 then immediately orphaning it is > stupid. Why not just hold onto it for a while and look for co-maintainers, > or a new maintainer? By orphaning, you just became the "thinned" part of > the herd. > Just because you can't

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Sam S.
> Second, uploading something to AUR4 then immediately orphaning it is > stupid. Why not just hold onto it for a while and look for co-maintainers, > or a new maintainer? By orphaning, you just became the "thinned" part of > the herd. Well, if it's orphaned another potential maintainer who comes a

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Ivy Foster
On 11 Aug 2015, at 3:48 pm +0200, Johannes Dewender wrote: > [snip] > I uploaded both to AUR3 and also to AUR4. > I maintain the free branch, because I think this is the better variant. > Having the original on AUR would be good, so I also updloaded these, but > I personally don't want to maintai

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Johannes Dewender
Am 11.08.2015 um 14:08 schrieb Simon Hanna: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 07:36:53AM +, Justin Dray wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:09 Antonio Rojas wrote: >>> Rob McCathie >>> Wrote in message: Just a query: Why were packages i added to AUR4, ensured were in good working order (and m

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Kaylor
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Bruno Pagani wrote: > Well, the first email states Kyrias did this… > > Le 11 août 2015 10:15:42 GMT+02:00, David Phillips > a écrit : > >A certain TU went around deleting orphaned stuff… won't name them > >though ;-) > Don't know what the motivation is behind

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Bruno Pagani
Well, the first email states Kyrias did this… Le 11 août 2015 10:15:42 GMT+02:00, David Phillips a écrit : >A certain TU went around deleting orphaned stuff… won't name them >though ;-)

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Simon Hanna
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 07:36:53AM +, Justin Dray wrote: > On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:09 Antonio Rojas wrote: > > > Rob McCathie > > Wrote in message: > > > > > > > > > > > Just a query: Why were packages i added to AUR4, ensured were in good > > > working order (and made an enhancement to one

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Phillips
A certain TU went around deleting orphaned stuff… won't name them though ;-)

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Justin Dray
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:09 Antonio Rojas wrote: > Rob McCathie > Wrote in message: > > > > > > > Just a query: Why were packages i added to AUR4, ensured were in good > > working order (and made an enhancement to one of the packages compared > > to the last release on AUR3), know are used by at

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Antonio Rojas
Rob McCathie Wrote in message: > > > Just a query: Why were packages i added to AUR4, ensured were in good > working order (and made an enhancement to one of the packages compared > to the last release on AUR3), know are used by at least some users, > and then orphaned so some other interested

[aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-10 Thread Rob McCathie
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 8:30 AM, wrote: > Kyrias deleted "compiz-gtk-standalone". > > You will no longer receive notifications about this package. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 8:32 AM, wrote: > Kyrias deleted "compiz-xfce". > > You will no longer receive notifications about this package. Just a q