Re: [Aus-soaring] spinning

2016-05-09 Thread Mike Borgelt
I thought I was being funny. Sorry I left out the smiley. The original joke goes something like this: Bloke is in a hot air balloon drifting across Canberra when suddenly he is enveloped in fog. After a while he drifts near a building and there's a bloke just inside an open window. The

Re: [Aus-soaring] spinning

2016-05-09 Thread DMcD
>>Compulsory spinning every year is a lot of risk exposure for dubious to zero >>benefit on the accidental spin in stats. It will no doubt cause some people >>to simply give up gliding. Personally, I don't have a problem with spinning or getting into incipient spins where it's initiated by me,

Re: [Aus-soaring] spinning

2016-05-09 Thread Richard Frawley
and you still cant fish > On 10 May 2016, at 10:42 AM, Mike Borgelt > wrote: > > Mark, > > That information is definitely 100% correct but utterly useless. Do you work > for the government now? > > Thanks to Bernie Baer for this link: >

Re: [Aus-soaring] spinning

2016-05-09 Thread Mike Borgelt
Mark, That information is definitely 100% correct but utterly useless. Do you work for the government now? Thanks to Bernie Baer for this link: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/dblist.php?AcType=sz50 Awesome record. I know of one that wasn't in there at Narrogin W.A. Instructor spun

Re: [Aus-soaring] spinning

2016-05-09 Thread john1
Look on the Aviation Safety Network website for their "Wiki base" all reported prangs to that organization should appear. The website usually has a glider "occurence" on it from some where around the globe most days. John O'Neill. On 2016-05-10 08:00, Mike Borgelt wrote: > At 08:57 PM

Re: [Aus-soaring] spinning

2016-05-09 Thread Paul Bart
Hi Mike Just put Aviation Safety Network Puchaczs into Google and up they come. Checked all the fatal ones, it would seem to confirm that Puchaczses indeed stall and spin, which of course is in the manual. Cheers Paul On 10 May 2016 at 08:00, Mike Borgelt

Re: [Aus-soaring] spinning

2016-05-09 Thread Mark Fisher
Mike They are easy to find . Big white airplanes . No engines. Sometimes found in long funny looking trailers Mark On Monday, 9 May 2016, Mike Borgelt wrote: > At 08:57 PM 5/9/2016, you wrote: > > The Aviation Safety Network website lists 77 occurences with

Re: [Aus-soaring] spinning

2016-05-09 Thread john1
The Aviation Safety Network website lists 77 occurences with Puchaczs with the first spinning fatality on July 01 1982 in Poland, the latest March 17 2016 in Japan. In between there are numerous spinning accidents. On 2016-05-09 17:00, Mike Borgelt wrote: > At 01:52 PM 5/9/2016, you wrote:

Re: [Aus-soaring] spinning

2016-05-09 Thread Peter Champness
Thanks Mike, A considered response. This is a relevant and difficult problem. Stall Spin accidents are sporadic and fairly uncommon but are still happening. You mentioned Maurice Little. There has been another very recent accident. Neither occurred during training. What is the best way to

Re: [Aus-soaring] spinning

2016-05-09 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 01:52 PM 5/9/2016, you wrote: "I would never, ever get into a Puchacz to spin it, especially off a winch launch. We need to retain all the pilots we have." Here we go again, lets get into the the Puch, to be honest I would not get into a Puch and spin of a 900 ft winch either, but that