Lies, dam lies and statistics.
But attached are some stats I took at a competition in FEB 05
For the argument, whatever it is trying to prove.
Alan Wilson
A tuggie, etc..
Canberra Gliding Club.
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> Ballpark estimate will do. I figure 8 tows a clock hour to 2000
> feet, maybe you could get 10 if the ground op was really good
10 tows an hour is not unusual if the glider is always ready. This gets a
single seat glider, probably with ballast, to 2000 feet. Add in some
heavier gliders or hig
Mike
I was Treasurer for a club for a couple of years. The Tugmaster
estimated the amount of fuel per launch, however I wrote out the cheques
for what we actually paid and this was significantly more than his
estimates.
If you get your estimates of fuel used incorrect by a large amount this
has a
All you need to do his pull the jesus lever and it all gets better, Trees
small - good , Trees big- bad.
JR
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At 04:12 PM 19/03/2007, you wrote:
Mike
If you want an accurate answer you will really have to specify how
people calculate it and who gives you the info.
Ballpark estimate will do. I figure 8 tows a clock hour to 2000
feet, maybe you could get 10 if the ground op was really good and
what d
Sorry Patch its the voices they tell me to do this kind of thing...see their
they go again.. there's someone in my head but its not me, anyway you are
only jealous coz they wont talk to you
JR
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Mike
If you want an accurate answer you will really have to specify how
people calculate it and who gives you the info.
If you ask an aerotow buff he is likely to look on the optimistic side
of how much his needle moved on his gauges when a had a good run to give
you his likely estimate.
If you
Here's a new towplane:
http://www.windcraft.fi/pik27/welcome.htm
Might be somewhat more efficient than a Pawnee. I once calculated
that of the 235HP in the Pawnee about 25 was effectively climbing a
500 KG glider on tow. A stunning 11% or so efficiency and that
doesn't even account for the P
I think if the light went out with a hopper full of super phos you would be
on the rear elevator stop in no time, just to keep the nose somewhere near a
gliding attitude.
Ben
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looks like a fair bit of stick needed without that fan turning!
Wayne Carter
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I've only ever flown a pawnee with the engine on :)
At idle however, there is a distinct nose down tendency, so it doesn't
surprise me that you'd need back stick to soar the thing
There was a lot of discussion about this a few years back. Al took the
photo: it's apparently genuine
> -Origina
"Somehow it doesn't look real to me. And what's with the amount of up
elevator?"
The up elevator stops the Pawnee from dropping like a greased brick engine
off, remember normal trim is setup for engine always on, giving a higher
airspeed over the stab/elevator from the prop(-:
I remember a tu
Of course, because it is Pawnography.
Roger
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Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Wave soaring pawnee
Gr
Somehow it doesn't look real to me. And what's with the amount of up
elevator?
Dave
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Michael
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Great picture of the wave soaring Pawnee.
Must be an example of Pawnee Porn, 'cos all the rude bits (including the
pilot's face) have been blacked out! ;-)
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Yes I tried that in the middle of N/W WA and the Pawnee flew very
well as a glider but not a sail plane.
At 10:12 AM 19/03/2007, you wrote:
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:39:32AM +1030, Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA) wrote:
> But out of interest the average speed of the Pawnee is about 85 knots
> (abo
http://www.silentflight.com/Oldsite/Wave_Soaring_Pawnee.jpg
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but here's a photo on Al McDonald's site with a Pawnee, engine off
wave soaring
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Total distance travelled 17.5 nm, approx 20km,
17.5nm = Approx 30km (32)
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No, but here's a photo on Al McDonald's site with a Pawnee, engine off
wave soaring
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:39:32AM +1030, Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA) wrote:
> But out of interest the average speed of the Pawnee is about 85 knots
> (about 160kph). What would the fuel consumption of the Holden be at this
> speed? (and what would it be towing a 400kg trailer for part of the
>
From: Derek Ruddock
Very approximately,
Time to climb to 3000 feet at 5 knots is 6 minutes, travelling
at 70 knots, say around 7 nautical miles
Time to descend ditto at 105 knots, say 10.5 nm
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:29:18AM +1100, Ross McLean wrote:
> Just for fun, I looked it up.
> According to CASA, (latest statistics in 2005 ) there are currently 12,536
> aircraft on the register. Subtract 1,117 gliders and 341 Balloons, you have
> 11,078 engine powered aircraft. If we remov
Fair dinkum JR, I just wanted to say it coz it implies that I might know
something about it and all the others might not and we wouldn't have endless
experts putting their 2 bobs worth in and in some cases their 3 bobs worth.
Other than that, its a bit early in the morning to be told, ah what th
Very approximately,
Time to climb to 3000 feet at 5 knots is 6 minutes, travelling at 70
knots, say around 7 nautical miles
Time to descend ditto at 105 knots, say 10.5 nm
Total distance travelled 17.5 nm, approx 20km, fuel used = 10 litres
So a Pawnee uses 50 litres per 100km, or about 3 tim
Just for fun, I looked it up.
According to CASA, (latest statistics in 2005 ) there are currently 12,536
aircraft on the register. Subtract 1,117 gliders and 341 Balloons, you have
11,078 engine powered aircraft. If we remove those over 5700kg MTOW we
effectively get rid of the airliners & heavy p
Agree, but there are'nt too many Lycomings around.
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Help Accountant please
Ohh Chris,
I promise i'll keep all
That's a lot of valuable advice Simon.
Could it be put in an "instructions" type format on the aus-soaring website?
It would save the people who continually answer import type questions on the
list the time and effort.
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Boonah Gliding Centre has a working pulley system in place and operating on
an irregular basis. It uses a Ford 150 as a launch vehicle and a poly rope
- normally achieves 1,200 to 1,500' AGL and gives a very smooth launch.
Handles a Blanik two up without any problem.
Unfortunately, the strip is
On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 18:27 +1100, Bruce Taylor wrote:
> Does anyone out there have any info or experience with reverse pulley
> launching? Our plan is to use a car on a limited length airfield to launch
> an unballasted 15m glider. I do remember an article in an old AG some years
> back, but ca
What does off line mean ? because even a phone call is on a line, with maybe
the exception of a sat. phone, or face to face over a nice cup of tea ( and
biscuits )
JR
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Contact me off line Bruce.
Ian Patching
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Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:27 PM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Reverse pulley launching
Does anyone out there have any info
Bruce,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pulleylaunch/?yguid=44411664
Yahoo group dedicated to the design of Pulley launching.
Or contact Michael Derry directly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regards
Ben
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Bruce,
We used the reverse pulley that belongs to the VMFG at Leongatha about 20
years ago with limited success due to using rope instead of wire which it
was designed for.
Try the VMFG guys for its present whereabouts. The last I heard of it it was
at Holbrook.
If you look at the Yahoo winch desi
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