David Lawley wrote:
To sum up I feel that unless we can accept that some folks want
different goals than x/c we will continue to lose these precious
trainees.
You make good points - and we certainly do have to make sure that there
is room for those who simply want to enjoy an hour or so
7:59 AMTo:
Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.Subject: RE:
[Aus-soaring] Soaring training
Ah but
Arie, its different at your club: as you are a winch site, you get lots
of practice at circuits: any soaring flight is the exception rather than the
rule and should
Hi all
After my Thank You posting for the
feedback on soaring training I received another
dozen or so contributions.
Please let me say Thank You once again.
May I ask future contributors to make a clear
distinction between Soaring training
and
Cross-country training?
Bernard
Of Matthew Gage
Sent: Friday, 17 February 2006
7:04 PM
To: 'Discussion
of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.';
'Tom Wilksch'
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
training
I don't think he did - but I think you might be !
If we condition ab-initios to think that going solo is the
main priority
g@lists.internode.on.net; 'Tom
Wilksch'Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
training
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:04:27 +1100, Matthew Gage
wrote:
Does it really matter if someone takes 2
hours longer to get solo
than they could have if it means they have
experienced more of what
2006
11:17 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating
to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
training
Hi All,
All the reasons for dropouts
are coming thru loud and clear on this list: ATTITUDE
The present badge system post C certificate, is aimed
only at x/c flying so has
?
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Derek Ruddock
To: Discussion of issues relating
to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:05
AM
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
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2 hours?
No, but if *every* flight is a
launch to 3000 feet followed
e if it means they have experienced more of what is
available in the process ?
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Australia.Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:04:27 +1100, Matthew Gage wrote:
Does it really matter if someone takes 2 hours longer to get solo
than they could have if it means they have experienced more of what
is available in the process ?
There is indeed a portion of the customer base who do wish to solo
]
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Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2006
4:53 PM
To: Discussion
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That
does rather depend on how you definie value for money. I think most of us
would consider value
is concentrated on safe landings.
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12 February 2006 11:32
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
training
Good
morning all!
Most
relating
to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:32
PM
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
training
I believe
it is important to strike a balance:
I fully
remember my first hour long flight when we flew what seemed like a vast
distance away (Milton
Wilksch
Sent: Thursday, 16
February 2006 4:23 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating
to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
training
That does rather depend on how you definie
value for money. I think most of us would consider value for money to be
XC flying not doing circuits
Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA) wrote:
From: Allan Armistead
is it really credible that when someone comes onto an airfield and joins a
club that they are planning to stay to solo and then go away again?
I too, have seen this often over the years.
As much as I fail to understand it, there are many
). How often is this
planned or even discussed before flying ?
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Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 23:16
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. wrote:
*1) How is your club handling the issue of soaring training? *
Students are introduced to soaring as soon as possible - predominantly
on their first and/or second flight. During the pre-solo stage,
instructors will use opportunities in the pre-solo syllabus
These people are
happy with Chateau Cardboard and have no interest in the Grange. They
are cows cropping the tips of the grass and failing to understand that
all the flavour begins in the roots.
...
As a list member has often said of people, You can tell 'em, but you
can't give 'em the
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Soaring training
These people are
happy with Chateau Cardboard and have no interest in the Grange. They
are cows cropping the tips of the grass and failing to understand that
all the flavour begins in the roots
Flying is just another mechanical activity as they move through their
'Reader's Digest' lives of just sampling things and moving on and not
of immersing themselves and savouring all it has to offer. These
people are happy with Chateau Cardboard and have no interest in the
Grange. They are
would be different.
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From:
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Aviation Pty. Ltd.
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:31
AM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
training
Good morning
all!
Most of you will know
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2006 6:42 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Soaring training
Robert Moore said:
In the cadet gliding club about 70% but 4 out of 20 pilots attended
Joey Glide 3 as competitors.
Most cadets just want the Solo Badge
Don Woodward
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
training
Good morning all!
Most of you will know that proper soaring
, 2006 9:12 PM
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Soaring training
Allan, et, al
Way back in the 70's I worked for a commercial flying school and we saw
similar trends. We lost approx 70% pre solo through cost of deciding it
was not for them. The next identifiable bump in the graph was post licence
+
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of issues relating
to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:10
PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Soaring
training
Interesting issue.My own experience starting
in 1975 with a club using Blaniks was pure circuit bashing to solo, then an
endless series of check flights
I think one element of the discussion has only been implied.
That is do clubs have some sort of formal syllabus for finding lift,
and centering thermals.
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From Rob Moore:
Possibly but you must realise that most pupils only have the goal of
solo and only a few if shown the delights you mention will decide to
stay.
From: Allan Armistead
I find the above quite an amazing statement. While I can understand that
someone in an air cadet or scouting type
I find the above quite an amazing statement. While I can understand
that someone in an air cadet or scouting type environment might be
looking to tick the boxes to get a badge then move on to the next
badge, is it really credible that when someone comes onto an
airfield and joins a
Good morning all!
Most of you will know that proper soaring training
is an issue very close to my heard.
I tend to think that the poor retention rate in
gliding is to a large extend due to the fact
that we let our new
recruits sort out the soaring aspect on their own. After having
At 11:01 AM 12/02/2006, you wrote:
Good morning all!
Most of you will know that proper soaring training is an issue very
close to my heard.
I tend to think that the poor retention rate in gliding is to a
large extend due to the fact
that we let our new recruits sort out the soaring aspect
Robert Moore said:
In the cadet gliding club about 70% but 4 out of 20 pilots attended
Joey Glide 3 as competitors.
Most cadets just want the Solo Badge.
In the ASC I think 60% of our trainees will have gone on some sort of
X country before they leave the club
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