Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-22 Thread Jonathan Brewer
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 11:26, Joseph Goldman wrote: > From my understanding it can be a mixture of both. Metro areas shouldn't > really have a problem on backhaul as busy towers would have 10, 40, or even > 100gbit circuits to the base of the tower, that tends to be more a regional > issue when

[AusNOG] Pausing of circuits + change control

2020-03-22 Thread Johnathon Brandis
Gday Team, Question 1. Anyone else getting customers who are needing to put circuits on pause, as they are closing the doors temporarily? Any precedent whatsoever? Question 2. This one is a touchy and maybe private topic, however any of you moving to change freeze due to the chaotic nature of

Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full

2020-03-22 Thread Michael Junek
AAPT certainly were running SS7 over various SDH technologies when I was last working on their call centre platform a few years back. From: AusNOG on behalf of Mark Delany Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 15:20 To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re:

Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full

2020-03-22 Thread Mark Delany
> Yes. With Telstra, it's an EXTRAORDINARLY big deal. You still have to > use specific hardware, and SS7 signaling over ISDN Oh. My bad. I was basing my assumptions on how I've seen voice delivered in the US. Even big ol' bad boy and recalcitrant Telco, AT provides SIP over a PNI. At my $DayJob

Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full

2020-03-22 Thread Sean Agius
Hi Brad, Not too sure I agree with your sentiments; people still get call failures and congestion occurs during the NYE event. Additionally, calls during the NYE event are quite short in nature and therefore channels are constantly cycled through at a higher rate. This event is not remotely

Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full

2020-03-22 Thread Rob Thomas
> > I don't doubt that you're right Rob, but help me out here. Surely > voice traffic is such a tiny drop in the networking-traffic bucket > that any sort of increase is still largely insignificant. > > Are you saying that voice interconnects are big, fat, pipes and that > ramping them up is a big

Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full

2020-03-22 Thread Bradley Amm
We seem to manage on New Years Eve with no issues.. Who is providing the SIP endpoints for the hotline. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:35 AM Sean Agius wrote: > It’s not SIP channel issue unfortunately. Rob is on the money. > > > > I am led to believe that line orders are being provisioned with

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-22 Thread John Edwards
It's complicated Ignoring channel aggregation (CA), the maximum amount of spectrum available to an LTE endpoint is 20Mhz, which is shared with everyone in the same sector. The amount of spectrum might be as small as 1.5Mhz If you have say an iPhone X with 2x2 MIMO, and can stand close enough to

Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full

2020-03-22 Thread Sean Agius
It’s not SIP channel issue unfortunately. Rob is on the money. I am led to believe that line orders are being provisioned with urgency to increase capacity, so definitely not a BW or SIP issue per-se. All congestion is stemming from the COVID-19 Hotline and affecting multiple Tier 1 providers

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-22 Thread Bradley Amm
"That tends to be more a regional issue when backhauled by microwave" I guess also some areas that have only Telstra backhaul (Think anything north of Geraldton in WA for example) would only buy minimal amounts of backhaul from Telstra to a capital city. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:26 AM Joseph

Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full

2020-03-22 Thread Jay Dixon
it sounds to me more like a finite number of SIP channels, rather than bandwidth. could quite easily be a licenced capacity on an SBC type deal On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 2:28 PM Mark Delany wrote: > On 23Mar20, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > > If you've got customers complaining about not being

Re: [AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full

2020-03-22 Thread Mark Delany
On 23Mar20, Rob Thomas allegedly wrote: > If you've got customers complaining about not being able to make calls > from Telstra (landlines or mobiles) there's a good chance it's because > Telstra don't have enough interconnect channels to other carriers. > > It's a known issue, and people above

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-22 Thread Joseph Goldman
I do a 'little' bit of radio work so I am in no way an expert. From my understanding it can be a mixture of both. Metro areas shouldn't really have a problem on backhaul as busy towers would have 10, 40, or even 100gbit circuits to the base of the tower, that tends to be more a regional issue

[AusNOG] FYI: Telstra carrier interconnects are full

2020-03-22 Thread Rob Thomas
If you've got customers complaining about not being able to make calls from Telstra (landlines or mobiles) there's a good chance it's because Telstra don't have enough interconnect channels to other carriers. It's a known issue, and people above my pay grade are caring about it. --Rob

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-22 Thread Roy Adams
+1 needed for clarification also. Philippines carriers are a mess. Just to add to the mix, the provider I use has 10+ APN's, and on any given day, 1 or 2 of the APN's will be consistently faster than the other 8. So Backhaul, Spectrum, APN are the factors where I cannot figure the slowness.

Re: [AusNOG] Swap Beer for Doubling/Tripling Included CVC

2020-03-22 Thread Glen Turner
Troy Baird wrote: > There are options for cost effective smaller 10g fanless switches > that are perfect for this situation Passive DWDM optical systems work too -- no electronics in the street at all, and so no need for expensive provision of roadside electricity. DWDM gear is normally

Re: [AusNOG] Swap Beer for Doubling/Tripling Included CVC

2020-03-22 Thread Karl Auer
On Sun, 2020-03-22 at 16:10 +1100, Jason Leschnik wrote: > > Fibre to the house was the original correct design. > Sorry formy uneducated understanding but how practical would have > fibre to the home end-to-end across the country really been? I'm sure > this is something Bevan might understand

Re: [AusNOG] Swap Beer for Doubling/Tripling Included CVC

2020-03-22 Thread Robert Hudson
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 17:13, Troy Baird wrote: > There are options for cost effective smaller 10g fanless switches that are > perfect for this situation > > Ones coming to my place in May... > I was using a Baby Brocade (ICX 6450 I think it was) in a previous job that would have been ideal

Re: [AusNOG] Swap Beer for Doubling/Tripling Included CVC

2020-03-22 Thread Troy Baird
There are options for cost effective smaller 10g fanless switches that are perfect for this situation Ones coming to my place in May... On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, 7:02 pm Tony Wicks, wrote: > >Sorry from uneducated understanding but how practical would have fibre to > the home end-to-end across

Re: [AusNOG] Swap Beer for Doubling/Tripling Included CVC

2020-03-22 Thread Tony Wicks
>Sorry from uneducated understanding but how practical would have fibre to the >home end-to-end across the country really been? I'm sure this is something >Bevan might understand with his experience truck rolling fibre installs. But >surely backhoe->ing the whole country is a nice idea in