Sep. 27, 1875
>
> Helen S
>
> -Original Message-
> From: luiznoia .
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 7:50 am
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
>
> The 1913 shiplist shows Francisco came to the US in 1906, and is returning
> to his b
f Angra. (1889-006 Rec 9 pg. 6)
> 2 Manoel b. Oct. 7, 1872
> 3 Emilia b. Sep. 27, 1875
>
> Helen S
>
> -Original Message-
> From: luiznoia .
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 7:50 am
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
>
> The 19
-006 Rec 9 pg. 6)
2 Manoel b. Oct. 7, 1872
3 Emilia b. Sep. 27, 1875
Helen S
-Original Message-
From: luiznoia .
To: Azores Genealogy
Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 7:50 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
The 1913 shiplist shows Francisco came to the US in 1906, and is
it must be to talk with your cousin! Your
>> mother's sisters daughter! Thank you for sharing this mystery as it
>> unfolded. For those of us who are your cousins, there's still that mystery
>> of "how/who/ when? Do you have a connection to the Azores yet? I kno
t;
> Good Luck,
>
> Helen Salvador
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Worman
> To: Azores
> Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2015 9:23 am
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
>
> Success!!!
>
> Thank you to each and every one of you who have spent time searchi
k,
Helen Salvador
-Original Message-
From: Dave Worman
To: Azores
Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2015 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
Success!!!
Thank you to each and every one of you who have spent time searching on my
behalf and to each one of you following this thread
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> From: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:43:34 -0700
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> How wonderful! So many of us have watched this quest unfold and it is so
> nice to read of yo
ed 28 Dec 1999 in
>>> Tulare. California.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Children of ROSE COTTA and JOSEPH LEAL are:
>>>
>>>i.DOLORES5 LEAL.
>>>
>>> ii.LUCILLE LEAL.
>>>
>&
That is wonderful!
MaryAnn
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Liz Migliori wrote:
> This has been a wonderful story all the way through. So very happy for
> you and it does give me hope.
> Congratulations
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Dave Worman wrote:
>
> Success!!
know there was talk of
looking at the passports. You already have your MTDNA...right?
Best regards for the continued story unfolding I like Belmiraaka,
Velma..married at 13you have a good story there.
Nancy Jean
From: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] V
How wonderful! So many of us have watched this quest unfold and it is so nice
to read of your success!
Susan Vargas Murphy
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Dave Worman wrote:
>
> Success!!!
>
> Thank you to each and every one of you who have spent time searching on my
>
This has been a wonderful story all the way through. So very happy for you and
it does give me hope.
Congratulations
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Dave Worman wrote:
>
> Success!!!
>
> Thank you to each and every one of you who have spent time searching on my
> behal
That's wonderful, Dave!
Thanks for letting us know. It's great to hear your happy news,
:^D
Linda
On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 9:23:00 AM UTC-7, dvc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Success!!!
>
> Thank you to each and every one of you who have spent time searching on my
> behalf and to each on
Dave, thanks for sharing your success story! It proves that you need to
keep searching, there is help out there! The genealogists of this group are
so willing to give of their time and expertise that it is a pleasure to
see!
Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Fa
Awesome! I love success stories like this. Hoping to see many more of this.
It is so encouraging.
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Dave Worman
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:23 AM
To: Azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
Success
Success!!!
Thank you to each and every one of you who have spent time searching on my
behalf and to each one of you following this thread. I could not have done
it without you. You are an answer to my prayers! God Bless you!
I have been searching for Velma Cotta, my birth mother, for most of m
Yeah, that's the spelling. I knew it looked a little off!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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you mean Maria de Nazeré ?
Eric
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Cheri Mello wrote:
> Dave,
>
> You said: <>
>
> Nazera is not her maiden name. It's her middle religious name. Women
> didn't have surnames for a certain time period. I'm thinking she's Maria de
> Nazera, and I think it means Mar
Thank you.
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:
> Mary Conceicao is really Maria da Conceição, meaning Mary of the
> Conception. It is a religious middle name.
>
> After immigration, some women did start to use their father's surname as a
> maiden name. And some didn't. So you are
Mary Conceicao is really Maria da Conceição, meaning Mary of the
Conception. It is a religious middle name.
After immigration, some women did start to use their father's surname as a
maiden name. And some didn't. So you are going to have to check both ways.
I don't know when the informant box app
Eric,
Also, Velma's middle initial is showing as M on her 1st marriage in 1923.
There is no initial specified on her marriage to Joe Hughes in 1933.On
my birth certificate her middle initial is E not M. She must have had two
or more middle names.
Dave
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:27 AM, luiz
Cheri,
Thank you for the lessons and your patience. So then Velma's mother Mary
Conceicao - that is not her maiden name either?
Also, Velma's middle initial is showing as M on her 1st marriage in 1923.
There is no initial specified on her marriage to Joe Hughes in 1933.On
my birth certificat
Eric,
Thank you for the lessons.. I really don't have any idea of how to do
this. And thank you for your patience.
Dave
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:27 AM, luiznoia . wrote:
> Yes, By identifying the parents, I may be able to postively identify
> Manuel , then Edward, son of Velma and him.
>
>
Dave,
You said: <>
Nazera is not her maiden name. It's her middle religious name. Women didn't
have surnames for a certain time period. I'm thinking she's Maria de
Nazera, and I think it means Mary of Nazareth.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quen
Yes, By identifying the parents, I may be able to postively identify Manuel
, then Edward, son of Velma and him.
There is somone that ties this family to Orange County and San Bernardino.
There are more than one M.Coelho family dairy farming in both places. I
have not indentified what the M stands
Manuel M. Coelho's parents are:Joe M. Coelho birthplace Portugal and
Mary Nazera (maiden name) birthplace Portugal. Will this information be
of help to you?
Dave
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 3:12 PM, luiznoia . wrote:
> Who are his parents?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Dave Worma
Who are his parents?
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Dave Worman wrote:
> Eric,
>
> I agree that she was probably 13 years old when she married in 1923.
>
> The marriage certificate does not give specific residence addresses, just
> Tulare for Velma M. Cotta and Tipton for the groom Manuel M
Eric,
I agree that she was probably 13 years old when she married in 1923.
The marriage certificate does not give specific residence addresses, just
Tulare for Velma M. Cotta and Tipton for the groom Manuel M Coelho. The
parents addresses are not given at all - just their names and birthplaces.
Dave,
I think the everchanging ages on censuses are due to languague confusion
more than anything else.
Thirteen years old with parental consent was allowed then. My g
grandmother was 13 when she married a 35 yr old in 1909 with her mother as
the witness.
This certificate confirms we are on the
Eric,
Just received a copy of the Marriage Certificate for Velma M. Cotta and
Manuel M. Coelho on Oct. 13, 1923 in Tulare, Calif. It shows her name as
*Velma* not Belmira even though the newspaper article listed her as
Belmira.
Her parents are Joe M. Cotta - birthplace Portugal and Mary Concei
Eric,
Found Joe L. Pires in the 1940 census living in the same house as 1930. His
name was just before Joe Cottas.
In the 1940 census the neighbors before and after Joe L. Pires are
different from the 1930 neighbors.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K96V-55F
Perhaps Joe & Mary had moved fr
Eric,
According to the marriage record you sent me, Joe and Mary were married in
1901 in Mass. And there was some other record with that arrival date,
too. (Can't find it this morning)
I have sent for the 1923 marriage license... no reply yet.
Dave
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, luiznoia
I've seen long term aliens apply for Social Security. And if they were the
right age for the draft, I've seen them apply.
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Yes, I'm aware alien residents were required to register. However, when
someone lives in the US for 60 years and doesn't
apply for citizenship, he's probably not filling out draft cards and Social
Security either.
I believe I've ruled out the Joe M Cotta, Jose Martin Cotta, and Joseph
Machado Co
Thank you.
Dave
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 3:55 PM, luiznoia . wrote:
> No, Joe M Cotta can be found in Tulare in 1910. The 1930 census shows he
> is still an alien, so it's unlikey he would have a filled out a draft card.
>
> Eric Edgar
> On Oct 12, 2015 10:17 AM, "linda" wrote:
>
>> I think this
Eric, It didn't matter if you were an Alien or not, you filled out a draft
card in WWI.
Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:55 PM, luiznoia . wrote:
> No, Joe M Cotta ca
Aliens had to register for the draft. I don't recall which box it is, but
it asks for that status.
Cheri
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No, Joe M Cotta can be found in Tulare in 1910. The 1930 census shows he is
still an alien, so it's unlikey he would have a filled out a draft card.
Eric Edgar
On Oct 12, 2015 10:17 AM, "linda" wrote:
> I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/6
Linda,
I am just happy that you were looking!
Dave
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 9:18 PM, linda wrote:
> DOH! I knew that!
>
> I should have drawn a timeline to remind myself of significant
> events/dates.
>
> I wonder if it would be productive to scroll through the WWI draft
> registrations before a
DOH! I knew that!
I should have drawn a timeline to remind myself of significant
events/dates.
I wonder if it would be productive to scroll through the WWI draft
registrations before and after Herculano Lopes's registration. My Great
Grandfather's WWI registration is numerically filed in
Linda,
Thank you for looking. We think Joe Cotta was in California by 1918 since
his 2nd daughter was born in Calif. in 1910.
But you never know where a lead will come from.
Dave
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 12:16 PM, linda wrote:
> I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:
>
>
> https
Caton is likely Caetano.
JMR
On Monday, October 12, 2015 5:54 PM, John Vasconcelos
wrote:
I read the name as Joseph Caton
John Vasconcelos
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:16 AM, linda wrote:
I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/6190
Yes, or "Cateu" or "Coter". No argument there. It may well not be his
record, but it was the only WWI registration record I found that came close
when I searched using the Familysearch.org site.
His birth year, wife's name and general location are right. If the date of
birth and/or addres
*I read the name as Joseph Caton*
*John Vasconcelos*
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:16 AM, linda wrote:
> I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZNK-LGB
>
>
> I found it the other evening and just realized that it is not one of the
> r
I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZNK-LGB
I found it the other evening and just realized that it is not one of the
records that has already been posted in the thread.
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Aaron,
Thank you for your interest. The link to the 1910 census is on the email
Oct. 4th from luznoia (Eric Edgar) on this thread, I don't know how to
forward it to you.. and his email Oct. 5 has the two marriage records for
Joe & Mary Cotta showing they emigrated in 1901.
This is another link
Dave: I've been following this thread with much interest, and I'm also glad
to hear of all the new info.
Eric Edgar: You deserve congratulations for all your detective work!
Impressive.
Aaron: according to the 1930 census form attached to Eric Edgar's first
post on October 5th, Joe and
Hi,
I'm glad to hear of your progress...Does the census happen to list the year
Belmira's (Velma) parents emigrated? If you don't mind, could you post a link?
Thanks.
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Getting tired, did I mention that Belmira (Velma) Cotta and Manuel Coelho
were married in Tulare??
Also, her mother Marie M. Cotta maiden name was Maria Conceicao??And
both parents are listed as from the Azores on their wedding license.
Dave
On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:39 PM, John Vasconcelos
John,
When I replied to you earlier I did not have this information but Eric
Edgar found Belmira Cotta in the 1910 census.
She was 2 months old.
She changed her name from Belmira to Velma sometime between 1923 and 1929.
Her mother was listed as Mary and her father as Joe M. Cotta on the 1910
census
essage-
> From: Liz Migliori
> To: azores
> Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2015 8:34 am
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
>
> I have forwarded this to my friend who's maiden name was Cotta and she was
> born and raised in Los Banos Ca. I will forward whatever reply
-Original Message-
From: Liz Migliori
To: azores
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2015 8:34 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
I have forwarded this to my friend who's maiden name was Cotta and she was born
and raised in Los Banos Ca. I will forward whatever reply I get
Eric,
Thank you so much!!! This is the first clue as to why she was living with
the Lopes!! In my bones I thought she had to be a relative for them to
take her and her first son in. Their house is a small one.
Thank you for the names also. Will try searching "Belmira" and see what
comes up.
John,
Thank you for searching.
I have very little information on Velma. Have no idea of who her relatives
are/were.I think Cotta was her maiden name. She was married & then
divorced in 1928. Then she married Joe Hughes in 1933. They
separated/divorced in 1937-1939?According to the 193
Linda
Thank you.
Dave
On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:55 PM, linda wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> I asked my mom if the name "Velma Cota" rang any bells, but I'm sorry, it
> did not.
>
> My Great Aunt was Vielmina C. Melo (approx. 1908-1988) from Livingston
> (Merced County, CA), buried in Turlock (Stanislaus
#x27;t show Dave as a match!
>
> Nancy Jean
>
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> From: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:01:59 -0500
>
>
> Marilyn,
>
> Are you a DNA cousin to
Hi Helen,
Interesting, you and I don't show a matchhowever, you show as a remote
match for my sistershe doesn't show Dave as a match!
Nancy Jean
From: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:0
Nancy Jean, I am also a cousin (4th & remote) to Dave.
Helen Salvador
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From: nancy jean baptiste
To: azores group
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2015 11:02 am
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
Marilyn,
Are you a DNA cousin to Dave? I am and you and I ar
Dave,
Here's a new clue for you, from the SSI applications. We didn't find the
connection before to Herclulano and Belle Lopes. Cotta is Belles' mother's
family name. Perhaps Velma is a niece?
Also , Portuguese name Belmira = Velma.
Name:Belle Lopes
[Belle Vierra] Gender:FemaleRace:WhiteBirth D
Hi Dave,
I asked my mom if the name "Velma Cota" rang any bells, but I'm sorry, it
did not.
My Great Aunt was Vielmina C. Melo (approx. 1908-1988) from Livingston
(Merced County, CA), buried in Turlock (Stanislaus County, CA). If you try
searching on "Vielmina" and run across any records for
Dave,
Do you know if Velma had any female siblings or cousins? My aunt Maria E V
Sousa was Secretary of the Hanford chapter of the SPRSI (a Portuguese
women's society) from the mid- teens until shortly before her death in the
late 50's. I have a couple of her minutes books, one coverng the period
Doreen,
Thank you for your suggestions.
-They got married in Reno.. Did check with a Catholic Church in Hanford
but did not get a reply from them.
-Don't know when or where she was buried. Lost contact when I was a
toddler and did not even know her name until recently.
-Checked 1930 and 1940 cens
Linda,
Thank you for your interest and help. Checked the link but don't know if
Edna Velma Cota would be the same person or not. As you think, I have
looked at a lot of "Velma" records wondering if they could be the same
person but I have no way to know for certain. I lost contact with Velma
wh
This is a long shot but in the town she got married try checking with the
Catholic church. Maybe she received her sacraments there: baptism,
communion, confirmation, marriage, and burial. Do you have where she was
buried? Check with the cemetery to see who handled the services then check
with the f
Hi Dave,
I know you've been searching for a while, so this is probably a dead end
you've already pursued, but here's a death record for Edna Velma Cota from
Tulare, CA
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPC3-5LB
Tulare is only a few miles from Hanford.
Some other thoughts (again, prob
Marilyn,
Thank you for your interest.
The marriage certificate shows her name as Velma Cotta when she married Joe
Hughes in 1933. Her age was 24 and she lived at 230 Ivy St., Hanford, CA.
She had been previously married and was divorced in 1928 - no indication of
her married name.
Research show
2015 at 12:01 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marilyn,
>>
>> Are you a DNA cousin to Dave? I am and you and I are so there's a clue in
>> there somehow!
>>
>> Nancy Jean
>>
>> -------
; Marilyn,
>
> Are you a DNA cousin to Dave? I am and you and I are so there's a clue in
> there somehow!
>
> Nancy Jean
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:11:30 -0600
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
> From: mari...@jmtml
Marilyn,
Are you a DNA cousin to Dave? I am and you and I are so there's a clue in there
somehow!
Nancy Jean
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:11:30 -0600
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
From: mari...@jmtmlt.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Do you have any additional information?
Do you have any additional information? Born Northern, Central, Southern
California? Married names?
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Dave Worman wrote:
> First, Thank You!! to each one of you who have spent so much time trying
> to help me with this search.
>
>
>
> I am still searching for infor
First, Thank You!! to each one of you who have spent so much time trying to
help me with this search.
I am still searching for information on Velma Cotta, born about 1910
probably in California. Divorce 1928 - married again 1933. In 1933 lived
at 230 Ivy St., Hanford, CA with Belle and Hercul
Doreen,
Thank you. Wouldn't that be something if she knows something about Velma?
Thank you, Dave
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Doreen Caetano
wrote:
> My grandmother lives in that neighborhood and she use to visit with a
> another lady about this age. I will look to see if this is the hous
Still haven't heard from her but she doesn't do much online stuff. Will keep I
informed
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Dave Worman wrote:
>
> Liz,
> Thank you so much. Your name wouldn't be Elizabeth that's our younger
> daughters name, too.
> Dave
>
>> On Sun, Jun 14,
Liz,
Thank you so much. Your name wouldn't be Elizabeth that's our younger
daughters name, too.
Dave
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Liz Migliori wrote:
> I have forwarded this to my friend who's maiden name was Cotta and she was
> born and raised in Los Banos Ca. I will forward whatever rep
My grandmother lives in that neighborhood and she use to visit with a
another lady about this age. I will look to see if this is the house I use
to visit with my grandmother and get back to you. Doreen
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Liz Migliori wrote:
> I have forwarded this to my friend who'
I have forwarded this to my friend who's maiden name was Cotta and she was born
and raised in Los Banos Ca. I will forward whatever reply I get
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 12, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Dave Worman wrote:
>
> I am still searching for information on Velma Cotta, born about 1910 prob
I was in Sapulpa, Oklahoma on the 1940 census living with Aunt Birdie
Hughes and Olga Hughes, my grandmother. In 1935 Los Angeles I must still
have been with Velma and Joe Hughes.
In trying to find out why they were in Arizona in 1935 I contacted a person
who collected playbills from Phoenix. Sh
According to the 1940 census, you were in Los Angeles in 1935. And
something about a playbill. When & where was that?
Cheri
On Jun 13, 2015 9:18 AM, "Dave Worman" wrote:
> Cheri,
> Thank you for taking your time on my behalf, I appreciate it. Velma E.
> Cotta married Joe Hughes in 1933 in Reno,
Eric,
Thank you, have taken the Family Finder test at FTDNA. Have 3rd, 4th & 5th
cousins, no 1st or 2nd. Have contacted any who have names or ancestral
surnames that sound Portuguese, but no info on Velma. Guess we need a
bigger base, more folks testing to break these brick walls.
Dave
On Sat
Cheri,
Thank you for taking your time on my behalf, I appreciate it. Velma E.
Cotta married Joe Hughes in 1933 in Reno, Nevada. The marriage license
application shows her age as 24, residence California. I was born in 1934
in Phoenix, Arizona. Joe & Velma were in California after that until t
Eric E,
He's done the Family Finder, but right now they are all distant matches
(probably 5th cousins or more). His matches though are suggesting the
central island group though.
Cheri
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:02 PM, luiznoia . wrote:
> Dave,
> I've worked on this in the past with, and also
Dave,
Please give more information. Your wife told me more.
Velma Cotta married Joe Hughes in Reno, Nevada, in 1933 (I think she said
33). I guess they divorced. On the marriage application it said she was
married before. And it had her age which makes her born about 1910. And
they moved around a
Dave,
I've worked on this in the past with, and also hit a wall.
Maybe you should do the Family Finder test at FTDNA.
Eric Edgar
On Jun 12, 2015 9:32 PM, "Dave Worman" wrote:
> I am still searching for information on Velma Cotta, born about 1910
> probably in California. Divorce 1928 - married
I am still searching for information on Velma Cotta, born about 1910
probably in California. Divorce 1928 - married again 1933. In 1933 lived
at 230 Ivy St., Hanford, CA with Belle and Hercules Lopes. Have hit a
brick wall here and am still wondering about her. Dave
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Hi Group, hit that brick wall and am still looking for a break
through on Velma Cotta Hughes, dob 1910, born in California. She
lived in Hanford, CA in 1933 before she married Mr. Hughes.
Thanks for any help you can offer.
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