Since words have multiple meanings, particularly on translation, could the
intent of beat been different? Keeping in mind that I know absolutely no
Portuguese... I found that the most common term for to beat is vencer *but
*that word's most common reverse translation is actually not a physical
I found this in an academia paper cited below. pg. 7 talks about secondary
burial. I am wondering if the Beating of the Body was actually the beating
or patting of the dirt (earth) that covered the body at the secondary
burial. Just my two cents.
Secondary burial - In many small parterres
Spoke with my mother this morning to confirm the story she once told me.
She used to hear from her aunt whom was born in the late 1800, if a
grave was open after 7 years and the body had not decomposed completely
the body was blessed by the priest and the coveiro (gravedigger) would
beat the
One of the things I learned from that beginning genealogy class when I
began was:
Who said it?
When did they say it?
How did they know?
So, Manny says his mom said what her aunt said this story. OK, so this
story is being retold and translated. That answers the WHO.
But WHEN did this aunt say
Every parish had a cemetery, the oldest grave was the first to be used,
families that had means could by the grave and any family member could
be buried there after 7 years, the length of time differed between
cemeteries. Some areas decomposed the body faster than others. In
Madalena for
!
Again thanks for the book nameI love to read anything Azores related!
Best regards,
Nancy Jean
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:19:25 -0700
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Hello Nancy
baptiste
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Hi Liliana,
It's Nancy Jean because we have several Nancy's on the list.
Thank you for the book information. I knew Miriam was about to publish her
book
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 08:51:18 -0700
Nancy Jean,
Miriam is a good friend of mine! She worked very hard on the book and I
think did a wonderful job. Although it is fiction
Manuel M,
Manuel said:
In the old days if a grave is dug and the body was still intact, it was
reburied for another 7 years, if it is still intact the body after that
time the body it taken and put on a boat and taken out to sea where they
would beat the body and dump it in the ocean. I do not
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Manuel M,
Manuel said:
In the old days if a grave is dug and the body was still intact, it
was reburied for another 7 years, if it is still intact the body
after that time the body it taken
I've heard that to become a saint, they had to have some number of miracles and it's a long process performed in Rome.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com
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Sacramento, California
Pico Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
www.dholmes.com
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From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, April 23, 2014 9:29 am
To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com
Manuel,
...taken out to sea where they would beat the body and dump it in the
ocean...
Where did you read that? Do you have any information? I really would like
to learn more about as I never heard this. Even if what you have is written
in Portuguese, as it is my primary language.
I will
in Rome.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
www.dholmes.com
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Date: Wed, April 23
Hello Rosemarie,
See the message I just sent Nancy Jean. You all do know each other! So, the
author is actually a friend of yours! Please thank her for such an good
read. She did a fine job of separating what is clearly fact from the
fictional backstory, as far as I can see.
Liliana
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Hello Nancy (or is it Nancy Jean?)
Now I feel a bit foolish. It's not many books; it's just one. It's part
fiction, set on the island of Pico, and part a lot of background
information
Liliana,
Yes, the remains are dug up and put into a crypt (I think the correct word
is ossuary). The grave is then reused. It has nothing to do with being
Catholic. There is not enough room for all those bodies that have
populated the islands since the 1400s. It's a necessity.
The only way
Liliana,
Not sure about the Azores, but in other areas of Europe after a number of
years this is true. My friends in Germany told me that if they wanted to
continue to have their father remain where he was, they could either pay
again or the area would be reused. Not sure what they did with the
with flowers
inside and some had pictures of the deceased. I took some great pictures
because it was so uniquely charming and unlike anything I'd ever seen!
Best,
Nancy Jean
From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:59:18 -0700
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Thank you, Cheri. (It seems I've thanked you a lot since I started this
quest.) The information is a letdown, but now I understand the reason for
it. I had pictured myself prowling around old cemeteries, finding clues,
and doing grave rubbings. I guess not.
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Liliana,
Yes, the remains are dug up and put into a crypt (I think the correct word
is ossuary). The grave is then reused. It has nothing to do
Hi E,
This is so interesting. I guess it's just unfamiliar to Americans because
we have such a new country, filled with so much open space.
Liliana
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:05:24 PM UTC-7, E Sharp wrote:
Liliana,
Not sure about the Azores, but in other areas of Europe after a number of
Same happens in Hungary.I did a search for my great-great-grandfather there and found the cemetery, but no sign of his remains or headstone (if he ever had one) from the 1860s.But one way to look at it is also beneficial. I found in one Hungarian village someone with the same rather unique surname
I know in Switzerland the bones are put in the basement of a church. My friend
got pictures through a broken window years ago. I can't remember how long the
body stays in the grave before the bones are moved to the church. Apparently
this happens a lot.
Sherry
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On Apr 22,
Six of my ancestors were buried inside the church (late 1700s early 1800s).
Probably more...those are the obits that I have.
I had visited that church when I traveled to the Azores. But at that time I
did not know my people had been buried inside the church! I don't know if
those had been dug up
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