Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-10 Thread Michael Sparks
On Friday 09 February 2007 18:26, Tim Thornton wrote: ... I can trust your computer not to reveal my secrets to you, Do you not see how this is a bad thing - how this can be abused? I buy a car. It does what I tell it (well it would if I drove). I buy a hammer it bangs what I want to bang. I

RE: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-10 Thread Tim Thornton
On 09/02/07, Nic James Ferrier wrote: Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe it to be orthogonal to DRM. In the trusted computing space, your secrets are secret, as are mine. I can trust your computer not to reveal my secrets to you, and you can trust that I can't get at

RE: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-10 Thread Tim Thornton
On 09/02/07, vijay chopra wrote: There's not a single benefit that treacherous computing brings that cannot be solved another way, in your example you can hold secrets via any number of numerous encryption methods, my home PC has a whole encrypted partition for data security. Why do I need a

[backstage] [BTW] Kamaelia

2007-02-10 Thread Michael Sparks
Hi, This is a did you know... announcement... :-) It's a bit on the long side, so please excuse me for that. This projects been going for sometime, and we've made release announcements in the usual places for the type of project (python conferences, open source conferences, FAVE,

Re: [backstage] barcamplondon2: Proof of Identity

2007-02-10 Thread Gordon Joly
At 14:27 + 8/2/07, John wrote: why is this a problem? they're only making sure no scalywags get in. It's OK. I won't be there. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please

RE: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-10 Thread Tim Thornton
On 10/02/07, Michael Sparks wrote: On Friday 09 February 2007 18:26, Tim Thornton wrote: ... I can trust your computer not to reveal my secrets to you, Do you not see how this is a bad thing - how this can be abused? I buy a car. It does what I tell it (well it would if I drove). I buy a

RE: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-10 Thread Tim Thornton
On 10/02/07, Michael Sparks wrote: The TPM was designed with this in mind, and each TPM has its own keys. Because they're internal to the TPM and can't be extracted by software, you can have confidence in the TPM's authenticity. This is wy off topic, but how does a remote third party

Re: [backstage] barcamplondon2: Proof of Identity

2007-02-10 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's OK. I won't be there. Tee hee. Neither will I. Though it might be fun becuase when BT de-resourced me last month I was given specific instructions not to connect to their network. Port 23 is open btw. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-10 Thread vijay chopra
Oh, and where did you get the idea that DRM is a benefit to the computer's owner? It's a benefit to me, in that I subscribe to an online music library for less than I used to spend on CDs. I have more music, and more money - I call that a benefit. That requires neither treacherous

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-10 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, in the PC space it's only constrained if you want it to be. Most PCs sold today have a TPM, which is rarely used (I've only met one person so far who uses their TPM, and I work in the industry). You need to enable it. You can use it to constrain your

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-10 Thread Michael Sparks
On Saturday 10 February 2007 22:28, Tim Thornton wrote: ... Regarding the other longer mail, many thanks for that - I'll read up on the references. I'd made some assumptions about the system, but hadn't realised that there were some keys I was unaware of the the TPM and the fact that there is

RE: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-10 Thread Tim Thornton
On 10/02/07, Nic James Ferrier wrote: You work in the industry and you've only met one person who uses it. So why are firms still putting it in their products? Surely a motherboard would be cheaper without it? Of course it's cheaper not to install a TPM, but it's chicken and egg - to take

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-10 Thread Gordon Joly
At 15:42 + 8/2/07, Dave Crossland wrote: On 06/02/07, Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We also know that the BBC has content that they own 100% of the copyright. This is, apparently, not the case at all for the majority of existing records. However, moving forward, I see no