Re: [BackupPC-users] Problem Backing Up a Mac Client Using Rsync

2008-03-03 Thread Ambrose Li
On 07/02/2008, Jon Forrest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) The first is that the XferLOG somehow seems to contain the > actual data being backed up! I'm showing a fragment from the > beginning below (does the problem with ls matter?): > [...] > Got remote protocol 1702057263 > Fatal error (bad

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread dan
for each disk in a raid5, large file write rate will increase while small file write rate will decrease. the solution is not necessarily having a smaller stripe size as many of the files will still be smaller than a 64k stripe so that is a minor improvement that may not compensate for the slowdown

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread David Rees
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Adam Goryachev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So would it then make sense for a backuppc data partition to use a > smaller stripe size since most writes will be very small? Yes, if you're using RAID5. Doing some benchmarking would help find the "sweet spot". > > H

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Les Mikesell
Christopher Derr wrote: > >> > Right. The reason I mention a multiple-head/SAN situation is that > people were recommending more than one backuppc server. If that's a > memory/cpu issue, then multiple-heads would help. If it's a > disk-thrashing issue, nothing is really going to help other th

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Adam Goryachev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Rees wrote: > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Tomasz Chmielewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> RAID5/6 have a performance penalty when compared to other RAID level >> because every single write (or, write IO operation) requires four disk >> I

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread David Rees
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Christopher Derr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is backuppc up to the task of backing up TBs of data? Or should I be > looking at software that explicitly states "for the enterprise" like > Symantec Backup Exec, Legato, or even open source Bacula? All of these >

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread David Rees
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Adam Goryachev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was always led to believe that the more drives you had in an array the > faster it would get. ie, comparing the same HDD and controller, if you > have 3 HDD in a RAiD5 it would be slower than 6 HDD in a RAID5. For mos

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread David Rees
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Tomasz Chmielewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RAID5/6 have a performance penalty when compared to other RAID level > because every single write (or, write IO operation) requires four disk > IOs on two drives (two reads, and two writes), possibly harming other I

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Christopher Derr
>> Alternatively, I could go the more extensible route: multiple, >> slightly less buff memory-wise backuppc servers, backing up to a >> large SAN, even at the same time. For an environment where I may be >> backing up data in the terabytes, would multiple backuppc head nodes >> backing up t

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Adam Goryachev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Les Mikesell wrote: > Christopher Derr wrote: >> Alternatively, I could go the more extensible route: multiple, slightly >> less buff memory-wise backuppc servers, backing up to a large SAN, even >> at the same time. For an environment where I may

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Les Mikesell
Adam Goryachev wrote: > > If you are writing small files and doing directory operations you >> are back to waiting for the heads to seek. > But since you have more heads, do you still have to wait for all of > them, or is the one that you want to move more likely to be available > to go and fetch

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Les Mikesell
Christopher Derr wrote: > > So I can see it both ways I guess. I can back up 500 GB at a time from > a 2 TB server for example, making good use of my 8 GB of memory for each > full backup (4 full backups per week to get the entire 2 TB). This is > if I have one backuppc server with onboard d

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Adam Goryachev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Les Mikesell wrote: > If you are writing small files and doing directory operations you > are back to waiting for the heads to seek. But since you have more heads, do you still have to wait for all of them, or is the one that you want to move more like

Re: [BackupPC-users] Issue with transfering large files

2008-03-03 Thread dan
I can transfer 5GB files with rsync 2.6.9 on digital unix and on ubuntu 7.10and on sco openserver4 no problems. im using rsync -aH only. you can replace "--server --sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group -D --links --times --block-size=2048 --recursive -D --ignore-times" with -aI --server -

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Christopher Derr
"> just take Les' advice, split up the backup job among a few servers instead of one BIG one. I guess he meant splitting one big backup job into several smaller (i.e., instead of backing up 1x350 GB, backup 7x50 GB, all that to one BackupPC server) - it is always a good idea for large backups."

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Les Mikesell
Adam Goryachev wrote: >> >>> The seek time for these may be the real killer since you drag the parity >>> drive's head along for the ride. >>> >> The more drives you have in an array, the closer your seek time will tend to >> approach worst-case, as the controller waits for the drive with

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Adam Goryachev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 03/03 02:29 , Les Mikesell wrote: > >> The seek time for these may be the real killer since you drag the parity >> drive's head along for the ride. >> > The more drives you have in an array, the closer your

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom
On 03/03 02:29 , Les Mikesell wrote: > > CPU load because of RAID5/6 computations on today hardware is marginal. > > RAID5/6 have a performance penalty when compared to other RAID level > > because every single write (or, write IO operation) requires four disk > > IOs on two drives (two reads, an

[BackupPC-users] Issue with transfering large files

2008-03-03 Thread Lee A. Connell
This only seems to happen when it hits very large files, other rsync modules backup fine on the same system. What can I do to troubleshoot this? Files are 2GB to 10GB in size. SERVER w/ BackupPC 2.x on Debian Sarge -- Connected to ncic-01:873, remote version 29 Negotiated protocol vers

Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup failed

2008-03-03 Thread Les Mikesell
Rahul Awasthi wrote: > Hi all > I am new to backuppc, I have installed backuppc on redhat linux 4.1 and > tried to make a backup, I got following error message. > > > > full backup started for directory / > Running: /usr/bin/ssh -q -x -l root 192.168.0.83 /usr/bin/rsync --server > --sender -

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Les Mikesell
Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: >> >> with 8GB of ram, I would give a rough estimate that you can have up to >> 500,000,000 files in flight at one time as far as ram is concerned! >> that includes ALL hosts that would be backed up simultaniously. I doubt >> RAM will be an issue for you. Probably ha

Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup failed

2008-03-03 Thread Ambrose Li
On 03/03/2008, Nils Breunese (Lemonbit) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dan wrote: > > > -x is one filesystem, not forward X11. -X is forward X11 > > On OS X -x is 'disable X11 forwarding' and -X is 'enable X11 > forwarding'. I was checking on OS X... For ssh, -x means "disable X11 forwarding" Fo

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Tomasz Chmielewski
dan schrieb: > amen Les > no need to have just 1 backup server! > > with 8GB of ram, I would give a rough estimate that you can have up to > 500,000,000 files in flight at one time as far as ram is concerned! > that includes ALL hosts that would be backed up simultaniously. I doubt > RAM will

Re: [BackupPC-users] Schedule Full backup

2008-03-03 Thread Ambrose Li
On 03/03/2008, dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > monthly fulls: > > 00 02 * * * backuppc if [ `/usr/local/bin/date +%d -d tomorrow` = 02 ] ; > then /usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_serverMesg backup > host.domain.tld host.domain.tld backuppc 1 > > > > this will say 'if tomorrow is the second, run th

Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup failed

2008-03-03 Thread Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
dan wrote: > -x is one filesystem, not forward X11. -X is forward X11 On OS X -x is 'disable X11 forwarding' and -X is 'enable X11 forwarding'. I was checking on OS X... Nils Breunese. - This SF.net email is sponsored by

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread dan
amen Les no need to have just 1 backup server! with 8GB of ram, I would give a rough estimate that you can have up to 500,000,000 files in flight at one time as far as ram is concerned! that includes ALL hosts that would be backed up simultaniously. I doubt RAM will be an issue for you. Probabl

Re: [BackupPC-users] Schedule Full backup

2008-03-03 Thread dan
you can put this in crontab: daily incrementals: > 00 02 * * * backuppc /usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_serverMesg backup > host.domain.tld host.domain.tld backuppc 0 > monthly fulls: > 59 11 * * * backuppc if [ `/usr/local/bin/date +%d -d tomorrow` = 01 ] ; > then /usr/share/backuppc/bin/Back

Re: [BackupPC-users] Schedule Full backup

2008-03-03 Thread Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom
On 02/29 05:06 , deblike wrote: > I'm kinda stuck on this too, I need to run backups on a fixed schedule, > let's say 02:00 AM every day, but I'm failing to see how to achieve > this. > Any clue? put this in /etc/crontab: 00 02 * * * backuppc /usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_serverMesg backup ho

Re: [BackupPC-users] Schedule Full backup

2008-03-03 Thread deblike
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:18:06 +0100 Hervé Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and is executed when the backup disk is on line normal but the next > full doesn't begin next Monday but after the number of days > configured in config.pl. I'm kinda stuck on this too, I need to run backups on a fixed

Re: [BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Les Mikesell
Christopher Derr wrote: > > I'm a new backuppc user for a college academic department. I have a > moderately sized disk array (3 TB, RAID 5, Areca RAID) backing up the > data on various servers. I think that's the first time I've heard someone call 3 TB "moderately sized", but I guess times

[BackupPC-users] Running Top

2008-03-03 Thread Christopher Derr
Greetings, I'm a new backuppc user for a college academic department. I have a moderately sized disk array (3 TB, RAID 5, Areca RAID) backing up the data on various servers. The backup server has 8 GB of memory and is currently running a backup of 350 GB user directories on a Windows 2003 se

Re: [BackupPC-users] Small patch to graph the pool size (v2 patch)

2008-03-03 Thread Pete Geenhuizen
Thanks that fixed the display for me on Centos 5 John Rouillard wrote: > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 09:51:46AM +0100, Ludovic Drolez wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:17:43AM -0700, Kimball Larsen wrote: >> >>> but the images appear as busted images on the status page. >>> >> (Wit

Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup failed

2008-03-03 Thread Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
daniel wrote: > Hey! > Try to run that command without -x argument in rsync. It works for me. You're saying that not disabling X11 forwarding is helping you solve a transfer problem? Sounds really odd to me as you really don't need X11 forwarding to backup using rsync over SSH. Nils Breunese

Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup failed

2008-03-03 Thread daniel
Hey! Try to run that command without -x argument in rsync. It works for me. /usr/bin/ssh -q -l root 192.168.0.83 /usr/bin/rsync --server > --sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group -D --links --hard-links > --times --block-size=2048 --recursive --ignore-times . / On 3 Mar 2008 07:28:43 -