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I know a Baha'i scholar here who says he met a grandson of Abdul Baha.
I'm not sure which grandson, but the man made it clear his father
broke the covenant. He broke all ties with his father and stood
steadfast in the cause. Not once did he claim the role of
the Aghsan to the people of Baha.
Best wishes,
Ian Kluge
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that
leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the people of Baha.
Best wishes,
Ian Kluge
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I would truly be grateful if you could provide some references for your
statement that Abdul Baha never claimed that the guardianship was meant to
be a permanent institution [and] The Kitab-i-Aqdas makes it clear that
leadership will pass from the Aghsan to the
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I'm having some difficulty understanding this. Who might this grandson have
been?
My understanding is that before Shoghi Effendi passed away, all the aghsan
had, unfortunately, broken the Covenant. No?
Who is this Baha'i scholar? And can you please ask him/her to give
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The scholar is Mr Pirooz Fazli living in Hyderabad, India. He told me
that he was well acquainted with Ruhiyyih Khanum and a couple of other
Hands of the Cause. I'll probably be meeting him tomorrow, I'll ask
him for the names.
All the Aghsan did break the covenant.
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On 26 Aug 2010 at 12:35, Tim Nolan wrote:
Universal Senate of Justice. Can you give sources from the writings
of Baha'u'llah or Abdu'l Baha or Shoghi Effendi? Tim
Never heard of it. If it has any history, it might go back to the
Universal Tribunal, which in
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I always thought of the Baha'i Faith as a religion where one's one
home took the place of a mosque.
The House of Worship is a central institution in the community, and
should be built in every town according to the Aqdas - but your home
and your heart are also
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According to the Will and Testament of `Abdu'l-Baha, a Guardian would have
to be designated as such by his predecesor. This, obviously, can't happen
any longer.
Best regards,
Iskandar
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Gilberto Simpson
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Does anyone have a sense of what the descendants of Bahaullah actually
believe in terms of religion? There is a clip on Youtube of
Bahaullah's great-granddaughter and she says something about being a
true Bahai. So do they believe that Bahaullah was a Manifestion
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Does anyone have a sense of what the descendants of Bahaullah actually
believe in terms of religion?
Most of Baha'u'llah's descendants who broke the Covenant were
reabsorbed back into Islam. Some even intermarried with the family of
the Mufti of Jerusalem and became
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The mother of this dame was Qamar Baha'i, a person who caused much suffering
to Shoghi Effendi. It is very difficult for them to join the Bahá'í Faith
because they worship Muhammad-Ali.
2010/8/27 Gilberto Simpson gilberto.simp...@gmail.com
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On 27 Aug 2010 at 12:03, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would
they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role?
They could not be the Guardian, since the prospective Guardian had to
be nominated
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It's a Five Elders http://www.fiveelders.org/ idea that the Universal House of
Justice (9 males) needs a Universal Senate of Justice (9 females) to balance it
out. Is this possible?
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What is this site all about? Is this a Covenant-breaker site?
Sincerely,
Shamim
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It's a Five Elders http://www.fiveelders.org/ idea that the Universal
House of
art is about something deeper than it admits.
--Roger Ebert
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It's a Five
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The Baha'i Studies ListservWhat is this site all about? Is this a
Covenant-breaker site?
Sincerely,
Shamim
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: Universal House of Guardianship
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Sincerely,
Shamim
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It's a Five Elders http://www.fiveelders.org/ idea
.
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That fiveelders link doesn't work for me. Who are they, and what is
their relation
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The Baha'i Studies ListservWhat is this site all about? Is this a
Covenant-breaker site?
Sincerely,
Shamim
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I went to the site through Google. I only looked at the first page.
It definitely looks like a covenant
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Sounds like regular Baha'i just with a list of reforms they want taken up.
Dear Steve,
If they reject the authority of the Universal House of Justice they
might well be Covenant breakers. It is also better to check this sort
of material out with your Auxiliary Board
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What is the job of an AB member?
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Sounds
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Also, who are Avarih and Niku?
Avarih was a prominent Baha'i who left the Faith during the time of
the Guardian and eventually wrote books against the Faith. Niku was
his friend who eventually did the same thing.
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Sounds like regular Baha'i just with a list of reforms
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What faith or faiths were they? Babi/Bayani/Azali? Muslim? Christian? Daheshi?
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Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 3:11:53 PM
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I absolutely agree 100% with Susan and Tim! Steven, check with
your Auxiliary Board member and LSA before you go to this kinds of sites.
These sites are very dangerous and could potentiality do you a lot of
spiritual harm. That is my suggestion friends. Proceed with
26, 2010 3:17:07 PM
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I'm suggesting that you contact your Auxiliary Board Member for
Protection. As the name suggests they are there to handle protection
issues.
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Also, who are Avarih and Niku?
Avarih was a prominent Baha'i who left the Faith during the time of
the Guardian
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Yes, they were apostates, but what faith did they convert to?
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faith did they convert to?
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By Faith I mean the Baha'i Faith.
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:19 PM
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Not to nitpick but Sohrab actually had no discrepancy with the legitimacy of
Ahmad Sohrab. He just didn't like Shoghi Effendi.
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They believe the Will Testament of Abdu'l-Baha to
anything?
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I'm suggesting that you contact your Auxiliary Board Member
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Sorry that should say discrepancy with Abdu'l-Bahá's Will and Testament.
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Not to nitpick but Sohrab actually had no discrepancy with the
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Yes, they were apostates, but what faith did they convert to?
They went back to Islam as far as I know.
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Where do you live Steve, in Indiana?
The reason I'm asking is that ABMs are assigned to different
geographical areas. If I know where you live I can tell you who your
ABM for protection is.
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, but what faith did they convert to?
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By Faith I mean the Baha'i Faith
to?
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By Faith I mean the Baha'i Faith.
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:19 PM
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So, Mr. Stephen Grey, why are you posting links to covenant breaker
websites?
What game are you playing?
Easy, Tim. Keep in mind that Stephen is a new believer and an isolated
one. Virtually everything he knows about the Faith he has gotten off
the internet.
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Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 3:38:26 PM
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So, Mr. Stephen Grey, why are you posting links to covenant breaker
websites?
What game are you playing?
Easy, Tim. Keep in mind that Stephen is a new
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Not to nitpick but Sohrab actually had no discrepancy with the legitimacy of
Ahmad Sohrab. He just didn't like Shoghi Effendi.
You mean the Will and Testament.
That is pretty much where Avarih was coming from. At first he
questioned the authenticity of the Will but
with the information.
Dennis Kolacinski
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Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:37:37 PM
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Yes.
From: Susan Maneck sman
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Dear Stephen,
Your Auxiliary Board Member for Protection is:
INDIANA (EXCLUDING CLARK, FLOYD, HARRISON COUNTIES) MICHIGAN (EXCLUDING THE
UPPER PENINSULA) R. OLIVER THOMAS 44819 GREENBRIAR DR VAN BUREN TOWNSHIP, MI
48111 ebt2
.
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Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 3:38:26 PM
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So, Mr. Stephen Grey, why are you posting links to covenant breaker
websites?
What game
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There are no Baha'i places
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There are no Baha'i places of worship in my area.
That's not surprising. There is only one House of worship on each
continent. Large communities have Baha'i Centers but most communities
meet in people's homes. Baha'is often have listings in the phone book
but not
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Dear friends,
I consulted with the Baha'i Internet Agency and have been informed
that the person behind the website Steve posted is indeed a declared
Covenant breaker.
warmest, Susan
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