Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-29 Thread smaneck
b Please, what is the correct translation of the Master's words to actual lost linkconcept? We share a common ancestor with apes? If that is true, man always have been man is true? Dear Hasan, I think Keven Brown managed to find the original for this talk Abdu'l- Baha gave, but I don't

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-29 Thread M Chase
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all come from God. And Abdu'l-Baha does attest that we ascend through the four kingdonms. That certainly suggests to me we had to go through the animal kingdom. I think a careful read will reveal that Abdul-Baha seems to be saying that atoms that make us up

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-29 Thread firestorm
:We were never individual atoms. I think this is a faulty scientific analogy characteristic of Abdul-Baha's time, and i think that's a brilliant answer. i would take it one step further towards the issue materialist/spiritualist: we are likweise not the result of the actions of those atoms.

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-28 Thread smaneck
If you talk that way, then, Manifestations descend from God :-) We all come from God. And Abdu'l-Baha does attest that we ascend through the four kingdonms. That certainly suggests to me wwe had to go through the animal kingdom. The information contained in this e-mail and any

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-28 Thread Hasan Elias
get why the Master said the lost link will never be found?Thanks for answer, Hasan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-28 Thread smaneck
So, I don't get why the Master said the lost link will never be found? Thanks for answer, Hasan Dear Hasan, As I mentioned the concept of a 'missing link' in the late 19th century and early 20th century had to do with popular (mis)conceptions about evolution wherein they thought

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-28 Thread Hasan Elias
Please, what is the correct translation of the Master's words to actual "lost link"concept? We share a common ancestor with apes? If that is true, "man always have been man" is true? [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: So, I don't get why the Master said the lost link will neve

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-27 Thread smaneck
I think men were always men; we are of a different order, as we are different from Manifestations. Perhaps that is a very good analogy. If Manifestations descend from men, why can't men descend from animals? The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail)

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-27 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
What Manifestation of God has not said I am but a man like you? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps that is a very good analogy. If Manifestations descend from men, why can't men descend from animals? The information contained in this e-mail and any

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-27 Thread Hasan Elias
If you talk that way, then, Manifestations descend from God :-)[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: I think men were always men; we are of a different order, as we are different from Manifestations.Perhaps that is a very good analogy. If Manifestations descend from men, why can't men descend from

lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread Hasan Elias
Susan, Abdu'l-Bah saidthat the link assumed to be missing between man and animal will never be found:"The link which they say is lost is itself a proof that man was never an animal. How is it possible to have all the links present and that important link absent? Though one spend this

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread smaneck
. And I think we can reasonabley expect that at some point we will find the common ancestor of men and apes. warmest, Susan - Original Message - From: Hasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:14 am Subject: lost link - will never found To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread Gilberto Simpson
we will find the common ancestor of men and apes. warmest, Susan - Original Message - From: Hasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:14 am Subject: lost link - will never found To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Susan, Abdu'l-Bahá said that the link

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread Ursus Maximus
, 2006 10:14 amSubject: lost link - will never found To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Susan, Abdu'l-Bah said that the link assumed to be missing between man and animal will never be found: The link which they say is lost is itself a proof that man was never an animal. How is it possible

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread firestorm
the statement that such a link will never be found is in fact a scientific statement if one applies strict rules of scientific enquiry. the first of those rules in what are we talking about? and it is this question that the Master is addressing, imho. if man is a spiritual being, then no

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread smaneck
That doesn't seem to resolve the issue. The claim isn't that that there is no missing link from modern humans to modern apes. The claim is that man was never an animal And that's a claim which I don't think science can prove or disprove. Clearly man is physically an animal, bu what makes him

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread smaneck
There are *many* fossils already discovered that belonged to primate species that precededthe split between the current living human and non-human primates. Dear Ron, I'm not thinking of early primates in general, I'm thinking more specifically of the common ancestor of man and the

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread Hasan Elias
I don't think the diferences between men and animals are only spiritual, that's why I asked why the Maester compared the memory of a pigeon with man. Are you saying human soul can act in a chimpanzee or an octopus?I think men were always men; we are of a different order, as we are