OT:Learning from the enemy (was Organic food)

2003-03-13 Thread Tony Nelson-Smith
...I worked at a petro-chem plant. (So, sue me, I learned a lot there)... Martha - I'll support you: even more than a billion years ago, I worked in a lab that used animals. I didn't do anything that I specifically regret, although I now believe that it was an unnecessary waste of life. Howev

Re: organic food

2003-03-12 Thread flylo
About a billion years ago (1972 to be exact) I worked in Houston at a petro-chem plant. (So, sue me, I learned a lot there.) One of the scientists developed his own strain of 'bugs', those enzymes that devoured the chemicals in the outflow water ponds. (bug ponds, I found I had a real gift in k

Re: organic food

2003-03-12 Thread ron poitras
of Acres had an interview with Jerry and a copy can be found on the Acres web site in the 'tool box' section. -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: Re: org

Re: Organic food with higher Brix

2003-03-12 Thread Lloyd Charles
From: Alberto Machado Sorry for my intromission , Brix , mesures all solids that are > soluble on the plant not only the sugars , including minerals, protein , > these with the higher sugar give a sweeter tasting if soil is in god > conditions , crops with higher Brix produce more alcool

Organic food with higher Brix

2003-03-12 Thread Alberto Machado
Dear Allan Sorry for my intromission , Brix , mesures all solids that are soluble on the plant not only the sugars , including minerals, protein , these with the higher sugar give a sweeter tasting if soil is in god conditions , crops with higher Brix produce more alcool for the micobio

Re: organic food

2003-03-12 Thread ron poitras
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: Re: organic food >>Allan - Why not use a refractometer? Have a chart available explaining what >>Brix is. Challenge your customers to find produce with a higher Brix reading >>than yours.

Re: organic food

2003-03-12 Thread Allan Balliett
Allan - Why not use a refractometer? Have a chart available explaining what Brix is. Challenge your customers to find produce with a higher Brix reading than yours. Ron Ron - As far as I know, objectively speaking, there is no proof that brix represents anything other than a higher sugar content.

Re: organic food

2003-03-12 Thread ron poitras
e: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:22 AM Subject: Re: organic food >> >>Nobody mentioned taste yet! >>Allan - if you had some samples of supermarket produce alongside yours, and >>the taste was chalk and cheese (in favour of yours of course) how many of >>your customers wou

Re: organic food

2003-03-12 Thread Allan Balliett
This is good policy, Martha. I stopped the 'waving of the cold white bones of dead children' to sell my produce some time ago. What I'm looking for right now is ways of communicating with people through the web and through print media about the value of food grown in harmony with Nature. Incid

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2003-03-12 Thread flylo
I think, more than any scientific data on the breakdown of particles of food, if the grower concentrates on becoming the healthiest person he can be, brimming with vitality himself. His farm or orchard or garden (ideally) shimmering with energy and good health, then his customers, his visitors,

Re: organic food

2003-03-11 Thread Peter Michael Bacchus
om: "Eric Myren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:31 AM Subject: organic food > Anyone that believes that organic food is not healthier than > conventional food is inherently stupid and a victim of multi-national > disinformati

Re: organic food

2003-03-11 Thread Allan Balliett
Nobody mentioned taste yet! Allan - if you had some samples of supermarket produce alongside yours, and the taste was chalk and cheese (in favour of yours of course) how many of your customers would then complain about the price? Right you are, of course, but, actually, Lloyd, the tongue that is

Re: organic food

2003-03-11 Thread Lloyd Charles
Nobody mentioned taste yet! Allan - if you had some samples of supermarket produce alongside yours, and the taste was chalk and cheese (in favour of yours of course) how many of your customers would then complain about the price? Just a thought Lloyd Charles

Re: organic food

2003-03-11 Thread Allan Balliett
Now you got a Powerful picture. Now you're talking! Anything new from Worthington? Sorry, but I found her studies from a few years back to be rather insignificant. She once advised me to do animal studies if I wanted to prove the superiority of organic food. And then she recommended tha

Re: organic food

2003-03-11 Thread Allan Balliett
I know its not BD but it seems to be what you mention, Allan. Christy Thanks for your efforts, Christy, however redundant.'-} I'm not just looking for BD documentation. Studies like this, in which unexpected benefits are demonstrated, are exactly what I'm looking for. There are so many ways th

Re: organic food

2003-03-11 Thread Steve Diver
As a very quick reply meaning, no documentation just how to do it. Get Benbrooks paper from EcoFarm. It has all the data on pesticide residues and children. It is an essential document. Get Virginia Worthington's paper. See the summary on mineral depletion in foods. Make a connect between

Re: organic food

2003-03-11 Thread The Korrows
, Allan. Christy Organic food has more healthy compounds - US report WASHINGTON - Organically grown crops contain more healthy compounds than conventional crops, perhaps because they are not exposed to pesticides, U.S. researchers reported. Tests on organically and sustainably grown berries and

Re: organic food

2003-03-11 Thread Allan Balliett
But don't look for more studies as the magic elixir that will make a difference; go get all the studies and concepts that already exist and you will have a powerful statement, as is. Steve - Without the studies, everything you mention can be brushed off as advertising. My request doesn't come out

Re: organic food

2003-03-11 Thread Steve Diver
It seems to me there are plenty of papers summarizing concepts and research results in the BD literature. BD has even developed a series of qualitative bioassay methods to understand the quality of soils, composts, and foods. It seems to me people either value BD foods as it stands right now, or

Re: organic food

2003-03-11 Thread Allan Balliett
Eric - they are only as dumb as those that think that ALL organic food is better than ALL non organic food - we need to make the distinction between food grown to minimum organic certification standards and properly grown organic food with trace mineral integrity and high energy. BIG difference

Re: organic food

2003-03-11 Thread Lloyd Charles
- Original Message - From: Eric Myren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:31 AM Subject: organic food > Anyone that believes that organic food is not healthier than > conventional food is inherently stupid and a victim

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2003-03-11 Thread Eric Myren
Anyone that believes that organic food is not healthier than conventional food is inherently stupid and a victim of multi-national disinformationbut as you said Allan this is a personal expression with no hard evidence behind it. So people pool your resources of information and lets give

Fwd: Organic food has more healthy compounds

2003-03-11 Thread Allan Balliett
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City Passes Ordinance to Ban Non-Organic Food

2002-12-04 Thread KARA LEBEAU
in a southeast Iowa community have passed the first reading of an ordinance that outlaws the sale of non-organic food in the city limits. The Vedic City Council ordinance outlaws genetically modified food and anything not grown organically. The founders of the city are followers of Maharishi M