I'm no CGI expert, but my best guess is that you are not going to be able to
stop the user from resending the data
[snip out a technique to assist in ignoring repeat data]
This deserves to be drilled into every beginning CGI programmers brain:
You cannot PREVENT the client from doing
Hi,
this must be a common problem and I was wondering what commonly used
strategies to solve it are:
How can I avoid that a user re-sends a POST form when hitting the reload
button on a result page?
The browser typically warns you when you want to do that but I was
wondering whether there is an
Ingo Weiss wrote:
Hi,
this must be a common problem and I was wondering what commonly used
strategies to solve it are:
How can I avoid that a user re-sends a POST form when hitting the
reload button on a result page?
You can't. If the transaction is not repeatable, you need to have some
Hi,
You can create a new function as follows:
package X;
sub new {
my $init = shift;
my $class = ref($init) || $init;
my $self = {};
#or if you want to pre-initialize some values, you can do:
#my $self = {option1 = 'value1', option2 = 'value2};
return bless($self, $class);
}
Teddy
-
Casey West wrote:
And I should point out that I agree. However, that doesn't excuse bad
behavior in response. Furthermore, I expect more from a responder
than a questioner.
Okay, I've made up my mind. I don't have the required patience with the
lazy dogs, so I don't fit here. Of course, you can
Hi All,
I have a file with thousands of line like :
/abc/def/ijk/test.txt
/pqr/lmn/test1.t
I want to get the directory where the files test.txt and test1.txt are
lying.
I tried split but was not able to get desired solution.
Can any one help.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Nilay Puri, Noida wrote:
I have a file with thousands of line like :
/abc/def/ijk/test.txt
/pqr/lmn/test1.t
I want to get the directory where the files test.txt and test1.txt are
lying.
Try something like this
-
u can look at the below code.
use File::Basename;
while(DATA){
my $line=$_;
chomp;
my $dir = dirname($line);
print $dir\n;
}
-Original Message-
From: Owen Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:44 PM
To: perl beginners
SNIP
I have a file with thousands of line like :
/abc/def/ijk/test.txt
/pqr/lmn/test1.t
I want to get the directory where the files test.txt and test1.txt are
lying.
/SNIP
Hi,
You can try the following:
#!/usr/bin/perl
open (IN,input_file) || die Cannot open file: $!;
open
--=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4D790.A1707220
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=iso-8859-7
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone know how to do that task?
It think that is quite easy as far as pdf is a set of images.
PDF is not a set of images ... PDF is actually a
very true. noted. I always forget about the greedy factor
Quick diction-alert; Greediness is something entirely different - your
braino was mistaking * for +
An example of greedy vs. non-greedy matching:
#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
my $phrase = 'Anna would like a banana';
Dear Sean,
Hash Slice (only reminded of this the other day). Example code:
use strict;
use warnings;
my @first = 'A' .. 'Z';
my @second = 'a' .. 'z';
my %hash;
@[EMAIL PROTECTED] = @second;
use Data::Dumper;
print Dumper(\%hash);
__END__
Not a particularly beginner way
Casey West wrote:
It was Wednesday, December 01, 2004 when Gunnar Hjalmarsson took the
soap box, saying:
Casey West wrote:
The original question was places squarely within reasonable query
boundaries.
What do you refer to as the original question? To me it's this:
comprehensive example answer snipped
We seem to agree on advising him to read a Perl beginners book.
As regards the rest of your example answer, there may or may not be
volunteer programmers available who are ready to provide such
comprehensive answers to people who have obviously not
What's wrong with demonstrating to your would be teacher that you are worthy
of being taught?
Either I'll do it for you to prevent you from learning anything or you make
an effort. Having programmed for over thirty years, I side with Gunnar.
Felix Li
- Original Message -
From: Gunnar
From my mozilla I opened a secured page at https://domain and got the
following output
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Info
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2
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I'm very new to perl, can any share an example ftp script? I need to
ftp from one server directorynbsp;to another server to a
directory
first, read the following:
perldoc Net::FTP
#!/usr/bin/perl
use
Has anyone else experienced terrible performance posting to beginners?
Or have I been marked as a rabble-rouser? :
I have sent several missives to the group, and despite the messages
being delivered to develooper.com [sic], I don't see them for several
hours later.
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G'day...
I've noticed a lot of modules can be initialised in the form:
my $instance = Module-new( option = value1, option2 = value2 )
How is this implemented? Is the above simply passing a hash reference?
Is it something like:
[snippage snipped]
TIA!
Regards,
Not a
Hi
Is they a simple perl script to do Schedule from one server to another via
NFS, or scp?
Dan
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A little OT, but I'm trying to learn 2 languages at once, C++ and perl.
Is this typically a good or bad idea?
So far it appears to be going OK and I'm well into using perl modules and
creating C++ classes.
My worry is as the topics get more complex and I start to learn the ins and
outs, will the
Lawrence Statton wrote:
#
# open a connection to some host (I need passive mode here
# to get around my firewall, you may not, which case you
# can leave it out )
#
my $ftp = Net::FTP-new('your-host.com', Passive = 1) || die Cannot connect to host: $@;
warnConnection made;
That statement
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Hello,
Is they a simple perl script to do Schedule from one server to another
via NFS, or scp?
Could you clarifiy what you mean?
Do you want to copy a crontab from one server to the other so they'll
have the same cron schedule?
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Smita Mote wrote:
hello all,
Hello,
can anyone can tell me how to do perl testing actually in actual
environment.?
Via the command line, perl -c script.pl will do a syntax check.
There's also a perl -d script.pl will run it in debug mode
The answer really depends on what you mean by testing and
Lawrence Statton wrote:
I was *JUST* lecturing my student on hash-slices Monday ...
Part of that lecture
Passing named paramters, implemented as a hash, is a popular style.
Look at all of Perl/Tk, for example. For systems where you might pass
dozens of parameters to a method (or
Hello, all.
I am trying to assign a P for any values greater than 1.0 and assign a A
otherwise. However, I need to skip the header line and the first column.
Something is wrong with my code and it does not skip the first column well.
Please help me to detect the bug.
Thanks,
Aiguo
Never mind. It is working now.
Thanks,
Aiguo
-Original Message-
From: Li, Aiguo (NIH/NCI)
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:11 AM
To: Perl Beginners
Subject: Where is it wrong with my code
Hello, all.
I am trying to assign a P for any values greater than 1.0 and assign a A
hello all,
can anyone can tell me how to do perl testing actually in actual
environment.?
-smita
perldoc Test::Tutorial
http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.4/lib/Test/Tutorial.html
http://danconia.org
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Jon (and others):
Thanks for your help thus far!
I'm running Apache 2.0.46 on Win2003 Server.
Since I get the error messages below when I try to run the sample program
(also below) on Apache HTTPD to demonstrate GD, I am now trying to manually
install GD.
I have just reinstalled ActiveState
Someone kindly gave me an example of using DBI for MSAccess. It ran
initially. However, I have now, as part of my attempt to install bugzilla,
deinstalled perl 5.6 and perl 5.8 (which was incorrectly installed on top of
perl 5.6) and reinstalled perl 5.8+, DBI and DBD-Mysql and MySQL several
times
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:28:55 -0500, Bob Showalter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John wrote:
Hello
Is there any special function for that job?
See the FAQ article:
perldoc -q 'is a number'
That all depends on what you mean by a number...the FAQ interestingly
ignores hex values.
Hi,
I just realized (don't laugh) that
perl -pe 'do_sth;'
is equivalent to
perl -ne 'do_sth; print;'
I am just thinking why would we need '-ne'
in the first place, since we would
need to print the result anyway (at least in one-liner).
Can anybody suggest the case
where we *only* need '-ne' ?
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Someone kindly gave me an example of using DBI for MSAccess. It ran
initially. However, I have now, as part of my attempt to install
bugzilla, deinstalled perl 5.6 and perl 5.8 (which was incorrectly
installed on top of perl 5.6) and
Hi List,
I am trying to get an environment variable into another variable (for ease of
use) and I am having trouble. It seems to only be with 2 certain variables as I
can do the following:
#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
my $path1 = $ENV{'PATH'};
print $path1
__END__
And it will
hi experts
I want to delete a line in a file depending on the content of line,
if my file is like this
ccc d eee
ee perl
hh
Here i want to remove the 4th line because it contains word perl !!
( of course i like
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:46:12 -, Murphy, Ged (Bolton)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A little OT, but I'm trying to learn 2 languages at once, C++ and perl.
Is this typically a good or bad idea?
I personally thinks this is rather a good idea.
Since a lot of syntax are common among them (maybe
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:45:28 +0530, Chandu B S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi experts
I am no experts, but I guess:
but i don't want to use 2 file ,
can i do this within the original file
Yeah just use FD only
open FD , /home/file1 or die Can't open file1 file : $!;
while(FD)
{
print FD
Edward,
-pe is simply a shortcut for the common case, and you don't always
want to print.
Simple example:
perl -ne 'print if /foo/'
I tend not to write many one liners, except for a short time when I
was writing one liners for perl golf. [About 2-3 years back,
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John Krahn wrote:
The way I've seen that done sometimes is like this:
sub frobitz {
my %opt = (
name = 'blueberry',
color = 'blue',
texture = 'medium',
price = 30,
@_
);
# ... do something useful
}
The trailing keys
Hi,
Edward: Your script doesn't work, as you are only opening the file in
read mode. Read/write doesn't do want you want either.
If you want a quick'n'easy one liner, then use -i:
-i[extension] edit files in place (makes backup if extension supplied)
Your one liner would look like:
perl
How should I respond to ppm below? Has it installed ODBC?
Thanks,
Siegfried
C:\Perl\binppm3.bat
PPM - Programmer's Package Manager version 3.1.
Copyright (c) 2001 ActiveState Corp. All Rights Reserved.
ActiveState is a devision of Sophos.
Entering interactive shell. Using Term::ReadLine::Stub
Hi,
Edward: Your script doesn't work, as you are only opening the file in
read mode. Read/write doesn't do want you want either.
{Blushes} Thanks for the correction Jon.
If you want a quick'n'easy one liner, then use -i:
-i[extension] edit files in place (makes backup if extension
-Original Message-
From: Dave Kettmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:14 AM
To: Perl List (E-mail)
Subject: Working with Environment Variables
Hi List,
I am trying to get an environment variable into another variable (for ease
of use) and I am having
PS:
The Perl Cookbook (May 1999 edition) describes all three of the
techniques properly in recipe 7.8, 7.9 and 7.10. I recommend the
cookbook if you don't already have it.
Jonathan Paton
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Hello Dave,
#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
my $from1 = $ENV{'SIP_HF_FROM'};
print $from1;
__END__
I get: Use of uninitialized value in print at test.pl line 8.
When I type set at the command line, I do see the variable SIP_HF_FROM ...
...
SHLVL=1
SIP_HF_FROM=sip:+16364424593
Hello again,
I have a problem with cookies; I can retreive cookies i have set, but if I
try to retreive a cookie that hasnt yet been set i get the following error:
Can't call method value on an undefined value at viewcart.pl line 55.
I am trying to get my cookie using: $ID =
A Taylor wrote:
Hello again,
I have a problem with cookies; I can retreive cookies i have set, but if I
try to retreive a cookie that hasnt yet been set i get the following error:
Can't call method value on an undefined value at viewcart.pl line 55.
I am trying to get my cookie using: $ID =
From: Siegfried Heintze [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How should I respond to ppm below? Has it installed ODBC?
Thanks,
Siegfried
C:\Perl\binppm3.bat
PPM - Programmer's Package Manager version 3.1.
Copyright (c) 2001 ActiveState Corp. All Rights Reserved.
ActiveState is a devision
From: A Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello again,
I have a problem with cookies; I can retreive cookies i have set, but
if I try to retreive a cookie that hasnt yet been set i get the
following error:
Can't call method value on an undefined value at viewcart.pl line
55.
I am trying to get
J,
I could have sworn I had a clean install last night. As per your advice, I
installed V5.8 AGAIN (this is the third or fourth time) and now ppm does not
give me that prompt when I install DBD-ODBC. Strange. It just installs and
the sample program works.
Now if I could only figure out how to
Dear Siegfried,
Your test script isn't needed at this point, since we are doing module
installation.
I forgot to mention you need development tools (like nmake) before you
can install GD. GD is written in C, therefore it needs to be compiled
first. There is a precompiled version, grab from:
-Original Message-
From: JupiterHost.Net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:56 AM
To: Perl List (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Working with Environment Variables
Hello Dave,
#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
my $from1 =
I am trying to implement redundancy in a client application that I am
writing so that I can have a primary server and a backup server. The
client is tailing a logfile and sends results to a server for
processing, at the end of the tail loop it sends data to a function that
tries to establish a
OK Guys I tried using the upload method of CGI. Here is what I did:
my $upload = CGI::Upload-new;
*Do I need to associate the upload variable with the CGI object in some
way which I am creating in the cgi script to accept the other parameters
from the html form ?
script contd
$file_name =
I am dealing with a problem that I have compressed down to the following
code:
foreach my $number (0 .. 6129){
$msgs .= $number,;
}
unless($msgs =~ /^(\d+,?)+$/){
die syntax error;
}
What's happening is that when i try to apply my regex to my string -- with
the comma seperator -- , I get
Edward WIJAYA [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/12/2004 10:02:05 am
Can anybody suggest the case
where we *only* need '-ne' ?
I use the -ne quite a bit. Off the top of my head, here's a cheesy
version of (unix) grep's -n option to print line numbers:
perl -ne 'print $. $_ if m/some pattern/' my_file.txt
Dear Jeremy,
Congratulations, you've found a bug in perl. Check the delta files
(perldoc perl585delta etc) to see if there is a mention of something
similar. If not, file the bug report using the perlbug tool.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] jonathan]$ perl
foreach my $number (0 .. 100) {
$msgs .=
Is there a more compatible way to check my overly-long string?
How about:
die syntax error\n if $msgs =~ /[^\d,]/;
Cheers,
Dave
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Dear Jeremy,
Couldn't leave this one alone :) I now have a minimised test case:
$msgs = '1' x 10;
$msgs =~ /(1_?)*/;
I believe the issue is related to an incorrect optimisation of the regex.
Not much mentioned in the version delta files, so I wonder if 5.8.5 has
the bug but didn't manifest
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:19:00 -0500, Dave Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a more compatible way to check my overly-long string?
How about:
die syntax error\n if $msgs =~ /[^\d,]/;
Oh, I missed a requirement... after the above code:
while ($msgs =~ /(\d+)/g) {
die syntax error\n if
G'day...
$file_name = $upload-file_name('sequences');
$file_type = $uplaod-file_type('sequences');
$file_handle = $upload-file_handle('sequences');
I haven't checked your script that thoroughly, or compared it to how I
have done it - /but/ I have noticed that you've misspelt upload as
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 10:33:12PM +, Jonathan Paton wrote:
Couldn't leave this one alone :) I now have a minimised test case:
$msgs = '1' x 10;
$msgs =~ /(1_?)*/;
I believe the issue is related to an incorrect optimisation of the regex.
Why do you think that? I suspect that
When you (assuming you have a windows machine) use ppm, does it find GD? I'm
out of ideas has to how to make ppm work. It finds other modules, just not
GD. I've tried specifying a http URL but that does not help!
Thanks,
Siegfried
-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Paton [mailto:[EMAIL
Howdy folks,
Here's something I was wondering (and wondering why its never come up
sooner for me ;p)
if I make a module, say Foobar.pm how do you make it so if a function
returns false you can die $!; ?
package Foobar;
sub baz {
return 1 if shift;
# do what here to set $! = You are not true;
Dear Paul,
I believe the issue is related to an incorrect optimisation of the regex.
Why do you think that?
Changed my mind... :) The (even shorter) regex:
/(1?)*/
Compiles as:
1: CURLYX[0] {0,32767}(12)
3: OPEN1(5)
5: CURLY {0,1}(9)
7: EXACT 1(0)
9:
Dear Siegfried,
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Downloads/ActivePerl/PPM/Repository
Look at the bottom of the page:
The GD module currently isn't available in the ActiveState PPM
repository. This is because it is very difficult to build and is not
suitable for ActiveState's automated build
if I make a module, say Foobar.pm how do you make it so if a function
returns false you can die $!; ?
Return undef or 0, just like you are doing. Both your calls to baz have an
argument, so 1 is returned both times. I prefer undef for false.
Jonathan Paton
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G'day...
Return undef or 0, just like you are doing. Both your calls
to baz have an argument, so 1 is returned both times. I
prefer undef for false.
Ahh... But how do you set $! in the enclosing scope?
Thanks...
Regards,
Michael S. E. Kraus
Software Developer
Wild Technology Pty Ltd
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
Okay, I've made up my mind. I don't have the required patience with
the lazy dogs, so I don't fit here. Of course, you can always follow
Jenda's advice and ignore them. And I will. I'll ignore this list from
now on.
Good luck! And beware of
Jonathan Paton wrote:
if I make a module, say Foobar.pm how do you make it so if a function
returns false you can die $!; ?
Return undef or 0, just like you are doing. Both your calls to baz have an
argument, so 1 is returned both times. I prefer undef for false.
Thanks Jonathan for the input,
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
Okay, I've made up my mind. I don't have the required patience with
the lazy dogs, so I don't fit here. Of course, you can always follow
Jenda's advice and ignore them. And I will. I'll ignore this list from
now on.
Good luck! And
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:59:49PM -0600, JupiterHost.Net wrote:
if I make a module, say Foobar.pm how do you make it so if a function
returns false you can die $!; ?
You can't. Or at least not in the sense you want.
$! is linked to the current value of errno, which will be set in the
perldoc Carp;
If that doesn't do what you want, then:
perldoc -f eval
else just set $@ and return undef. This is a bad solution I think.
Jonathan Paton
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JupiterHost.Net wrote:
Jonathan Paton wrote:
if I make a module, say Foobar.pm how do you make it so if a function
returns false you can die $!; ?
Return undef or 0, just like you are doing. Both your calls to baz
have an
argument, so 1 is returned both times. I prefer undef for false.
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Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; JupiterHost.Net;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Spam:Re: using $! for die()ing with Package function
G'day...
Return undef or 0, just like you are
Is the list better off without him?
NO, we are NOT!
I don't think so, but here we are...
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I'll third that guys! Gunnar, if you're still listening:
Come back!
The thing is, maybe it was a bit harsh and not always justified and we
could all make imporvements *but*
I don't think you can't set $! since it is a system var. Perhaps you could
do something like:
my $err_text;
die $err_text if !Foo();
sub Foo_baz
{
return 1 if shift;
$err_text = Your error message.
return 0;
}
Thanks Ron, yeah if I want to I'll have to
I think the misunderstanding is:
$! is not a general purpose error message, it is a magical wrapper
around errno() (read the section in perlvar)
You *COULD* set $! to some numeric value selected from errno.h if
there was one close enough to your message. But a user of your
library getting
Tham, Philip would like to recall the message, perl and https.
Paul Johnson wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:59:49PM -0600, JupiterHost.Net wrote:
if I make a module, say Foobar.pm how do you make it so if a function
returns false you can die $!; ?
You can't. Or at least not in the sense you want.
$! is linked to the current value of errno, which will
Tham, Philip wrote:
Tham, Philip would like to recall the message, perl and https.
I'd love to help Tham, Philip recall it but I'm not sure what that means...
remember it?
find it in the archives?
stop it from being posted?
retract a statement in it?
bring it off the market to aovid hurting
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Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Spam:Re: using $! for die()ing with Package function
I don't think you can't set $! since it is a system var.
Perhaps you could
do
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following output
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Info
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2
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 12:16:57AM +, Jonathan Paton wrote:
I suspect that you are just blowing the stack.
Agreed now. Mind you, changing the program stack space
is not likely to help.
Are you sure? Did you try it? I did ;-)
I don't think perl will use the
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Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: using $! for die()ing with Package function
Paul Johnson wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:59:49PM -0600, JupiterHost.Net wrote:
Li, Aiguo (NIH/NCI) wrote:
Hello, all.
Hello,
I am trying to assign a P for any values greater than 1.0 and assign a A
otherwise.
$ perl -le' for ( -5.0, 0.0, 0., 1.0, 1.0001, 5.0 ) { print $_ , qw( A
P )[ $_ 1 ] } '
-5 A
0 A
0. A
1 A
1.0001 P
5 P
John
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JupiterHost.Net wrote:
Is the list better off without him?
Definitely not however as I mentioned recently, simply ignoring those
who aren't trying is the game plan. After a couple of weak attempts
they usually leave. I rather liked Wiggins responses to those who don't
try. Point them to
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 09:38 +0100, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
Casey West wrote:
And I should point out that I agree. However, that doesn't excuse bad
behavior in response. Furthermore, I expect more from a responder
than a questioner.
Okay, I've made up my mind. I don't have the required
Chandu B S wrote:
hi experts
Hello,
I want to delete a line in a file depending on the content of line,
if my file is like this
ccc d eee
ee perl
hh
Here i want to remove the 4th line because it contains word perl !!
(
I think as long as a failed open() or mkdir() (IE a system function that
does $! sets it already) then that is all I need for this project:
sub baz {
mkdir '/dir/I/cant/make' or return;
}
will do what i need:
baz or die $!;
Actually mkdir returns true or false -
sub baz{return mkdir
Hi Frnds,
I have a problem with string passed as an argument to a perl script.
I am giving the string \C:\\PROGRA~1\\INTERN~1\\IEXPLORE.EXE\ as an
argument to the cmdtemplate option.
and it been taken as C:PROGRA~1INTERN~1IEXPLORE.EXE after parsing it.
what happend to the back slash.??
In
Why does not ppm Date::Time work?
I also tried
perl -MCPAN -e 'install Date::Time'
and that does not work either!
I finally went to http://search.cpan.org/~gbarr/ and followed the directions
in the readme.
This seemed to work!
Also, I had problems chart as per the checksetup.pl file in
Trying out a new email client so I hope the attributions are right- if
not, I apologize in advance. Been a while since I posted to the list...
sentinel wrote:
finitely not however as I mentioned recently, simply ignoring those
who aren't trying is the game plan. After a couple of weak
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