Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread vagskal
Philip Meyer;601534 Wrote: > >If an album has both an AA tag and a compilation tag, the album artist > >will not show up in the artist list (at least not if you have set this > >list to show only album artists). > > > I think this is because all compilations are shown under the artist > name used

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread erland
Philip Meyer;601536 Wrote: > > The thing is that the browse menus need to work across a multitude of > different interfaces, which other apps like WinAmp haven't got to worry > about so much. > The WinAmp interface is clearly optimized for usage on a computer screen. However, I strongly want t

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Phil Meyer
>And this is the problem. If I put AA tags on my album with different >track artists, I can't browse and thus play) any of the tracks on the >Squeezebox Controller and/or iPeng. The Squeezebox Server web interface >works as expected... I haven't got a Squeezebox Controller, so I can't confirm any b

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Phil Meyer
>As Philip has said multiple times Sorry, I get passionate and easily wound up! >you can do exactly this with third party plugins and SBS already today. >The difference is that in Winamp it's included as standard and in Winamp >it's quite a bit easier to configure. The third party plugins for SBS

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Phil Meyer
>If an album has both an AA tag and a compilation tag, the album artist >will not show up in the artist list (at least not if you have set this >list to show only album artists). > I think this is because all compilations are shown under the artist name used to represent compilations. When you ge

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Phil Meyer
>Why would anyone have ALBUMARTIST and COMPILATION=1 on a track ? Is >there a reason for this ? > The Album Artist is just denoting the artist for the album. I don't use the two in combination, but other people may. In a list of Albums, SBS always shows the album artist name instead of its con

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] UPnP/DLNA Server Plugin

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
andyg;601442 Wrote: > On Jan 10, 2011, at 2:52 PM, erland wrote: > > 3. > > Can I select music using a Squeezebox Controller and tell it to > start > > playing music on my third party UPnP player device ? > > No. thats too bad, since i think that would be a sweet SBC selling point. ie. you cou

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] UPnP/DLNA Server Plugin

2011-01-10 Thread Andy Grundman
On Jan 10, 2011, at 4:03 PM, lauret wrote: > > andyg;599763 Wrote: >> Transcoding for UPnP clients is done based on the URL extension, for >> example: >> >> http://server:9000/music/123/download.mp3?bitrate=320 >> http://server:9000/music/456/download.flac > > Is it possible to catch this tra

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread vagskal
erland;601461 Wrote: > Why would anyone have ALBUMARTIST and COMPILATION=1 on a track ? Is > there a reason for this ? > > The only reason I can think of is if you don't want the artist to > appear in the artist list and instead appear under "Various Artists". > Or maybe if you want compilation

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] UPnP/DLNA Server Plugin

2011-01-10 Thread lauret
andyg;599763 Wrote: > Transcoding for UPnP clients is done based on the URL extension, for > example: > > http://server:9000/music/123/download.mp3?bitrate=320 > http://server:9000/music/456/download.flac Is it possible to catch this trackid (123, 456) via the CLI (I could not find it)? That wa

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread erland
vagskal;601451 Wrote: > If an album has both an AA tag and a compilation tag, the album artist > will not show up in the artist list (at least not if you have set this > list to show only album artists). I have not tried your second example > but my guess is that there will be a VA entry in the a

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread vagskal
erland;601403 Wrote: > > 1. > You can put ALBUMARTIST tags on your music and it will just work, put > ALBUMARTIST="European Artists" on some album and "ALBUMARTIST="American > Artists" on some other albums and you will get a "European Artists" and > a "American Artists" menu in your artists lis

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] UPnP/DLNA Server Plugin

2011-01-10 Thread Andy Grundman
On Jan 10, 2011, at 2:52 PM, erland wrote: > > andyg;601419 Wrote: >> >> This is to enable generic control points to also control players. >> > I really need to try this but just in case someone can provide a quick > answer before I get some time to try it out myself: > > 1. > Can I use a UP

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] UPnP/DLNA Server Plugin

2011-01-10 Thread erland
andyg;601419 Wrote: > > This is to enable generic control points to also control players. > I really need to try this but just in case someone can provide a quick answer before I get some time to try it out myself: 1. Can I use a UPnP controller of my chioce to select and start playing music o

[SlimDevices: Beta] 7.6 Radio firmware published, r9284

2011-01-10 Thread bklaas
I've qualified and published 7.6 beta firmware for Squeezebox Radio, r9284. As Mickey stated in the thread linked below, official support for Spotify on Squeezebox Radio and Touch is available as a beta for 7.5.3 and 7.6 Squeezebox Server users. That support is also included in r9284 http://forum

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] UPnP/DLNA Server Plugin

2011-01-10 Thread lauret
I understand that UPnP uses a whole other paradigm, namely that the client normally asks the server for a specific file (pull), whereas the SBS pushes a certain stream to the client. So my question was if the SBS will also implement some sort of control mechanisms for the UPnP clients so we do not

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] UPnP/DLNA Server Plugin

2011-01-10 Thread andyg
lauret;601417 Wrote: > Are you supposed to be able to control the UPnP media renderers with SBS > (and thus with a SB controller etc..)? Or do we need a seperate UPnP > control point? Not sure what you are asking, you can already control your SB players much better with SBS in other ways. This

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] UPnP/DLNA Server Plugin

2011-01-10 Thread lauret
Are you supposed to be able to control the UPnP media renderers with SBS (and thus with a SB controller etc..)? Or do we need a seperate UPnP control point? -- lauret lauret's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread verypsb
erland;601413 Wrote: > Is this because of some bug ? Why can't you play the tracks ? > Do you use ARTIST or TRACKARTIST tag for the track artists ? I use ARTIST. I can't play them because it lists 0 tracks, so I'm unable to select a track. -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 2x Duet, 1x Touch --

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread erland
verypsb;601397 Wrote: > And this is the problem. If I put AA tags on my album with different > track artists, I can't browse (and thus play) any of the tracks on the > Squeezebox Controller and/or iPeng. The Squeezebox Server web interface > works as expected... > Is this because of some bug ? W

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread erland
MrSinatra;601262 Wrote: > > -...a final note to erland...- > > you said earlier that you don't care whats in tags, you care whats in > the DB. this really makes no sense. the DB, at least mine, is made up > of what it scanned from my tags. the whole point of an app like SBS or > winamp or wh

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Still having issues with 7.6 and foreign characters

2011-01-10 Thread tamanaco
andyg;595086 Wrote: > I cannot reproduce this at all. Tested 7.6 on Win7 with Moose on the > same Win7. SBS was configured to read some MP3s off a network share > that have Japanese characters for the artist name. Everything displays > perfectly in Moose. Andy, have you been able to test this

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread erland
When you guys talk about a "compilation" what do you really mean ? Is SBS using it's compilation indication for something else than removing artists from the main "Artists" menu and putting their albums into "Artists/Various Artists" ? I feel that I've probably missed something and "compilation"

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread verypsb
Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > If people put AA tags on their albums, everything will act just like any > other (below-par) app. And this is the problem. If I put AA tags on my album with different track artists, I can't browse and thus play) any of the tracks on the Squeezebox Controller and/or i

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > You are talking way over the top here. i am? by pointing out the facts? no, i don't think so. Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > SBS doesn't get in the way of that at all. If people put AA tags on > their albums, everything will act just like any other (below-par) app

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;601301 Wrote: > This one I have more trouble with, in that music isn't as simple to list > in a flat table. This is what confused me with your "one master list" > terminology. Artists, Albums, Songs, Genres, Years, Playlists are all > one-many relationships that make table-driven o

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;601297 Wrote: > Try Custom Browse then. > What you are talking about *is* nice, and I would love to see more > useful ways of browsing my music too. > But, it is unlikely that you will ever see it developed within SBS, I > think. It would be a lot of effort to develop, and continual

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;601293 Wrote: > I don't think it's insane. Certainly it would be nice to have a way > browsing only artists that have albums or all artists, or only > composers, or only orchestras, etc. But for almost all casual users, > this is not a problem at all. > Why do you see it a PROBLEM

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Philip Meyer
> SBS has ridiculously conflated AA tags as meaningful as to comp > status... they aren't and shouldn't be! lots of apps put AA tags on > comps ON PURPOSE!!! [b]like it or not, thats the FACT. You are talking way over the top here. SBS doesn't get in the way of that at all. If people put AA t

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;601290 Wrote: > No, the current implementation doesn't suck. The implementation is > doing exactly what it was set out/designed to do. It may not be how > you would like to visualise your library. It may not be totally > flexible, but it is intuitive and works. There are loads of

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Philip Meyer
> once inside a view, i should be able to sort it anyway i want based on > the sorting method i pick. This one I have more trouble with, in that music isn't as simple to list in a flat table. This is what confused me with your "one master list" terminology. Artists, Albums, Songs, Genres, Years,

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Philip Meyer
> you should be able to customize subsets of results. i don't want > whatever few different entry points to the WHOLE library SBS gives me, > thats stupid. i do want to be able to create as many "views" as i > want, that create results lists based on the criteria i choose. Try Custom Browse then

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Philip Meyer
> it is insane, ok, INSANE that i can't on the fly switch between browsing > all artists, or browsing album artists. THAT IS A PROBLEM PHIL. I don't think it's insane. Certainly it would be nice to have a way browsing only artists that have albums or all artists, or only composers, or only orche

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread Philip Meyer
MrSinatra;601262 Wrote: > first of all the current implementation sucks. it sucks b/c it is not > user friendly and not intuitive and not flexible. No, the current implementation doesn't suck. The implementation is doing exactly what it was set out/designed to do. It may not be how you would l

Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691

2011-01-10 Thread MrSinatra
there are way too many posts and simultaneous conversations going on to respond to them all, so instead i just want to hammer home some notions. FIRST OF ALL,[/B] THE CURRENT IMPLEMENTATION SUCKS. IT SUCKS B/C IT IS NOT USER FRIENDLY AND NOT INTUITIVE AND NOT FLEXIBLE. I'VE USED SBS A LONG TIME