Re: [Bf-committers] Internationalization (i18n) and blender state of affairs...

2009-11-19 Thread Knapp
> Examples to look at: >        Python: >                 > http://www.learningpython.com/2006/12/03/translating-your-pythonpygtk-application/ >                http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Python_i18n >                mailman >        c examples: >                http://oriya.sarovar.org/docs/gettext_

Re: [Bf-committers] [Bf-blender-cvs] SVN commit: /data/svn/bf-blender [24689] trunk/lib/windows/opencollada: OpenCOLLADA libs for msvc win32 debug target

2009-11-19 Thread Nathan Letwory
2009/11/19 Andrea Weikert : > Revision: 24689 >           > http://projects.blender.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php?view=rev&root=bf-blender&revision=24689 > Log Message: > --- > OpenCOLLADA libs for msvc win32 debug target Yay. Still need to enable for SCons but this is a good start :) I'l

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows SXS hell

2009-11-19 Thread Nathan Letwory
2009/11/19 Charles Wardlaw : >> >> The dll can be redistributed next to the blender executable, it doesn't >> have to be installed. >> >> That doesn't require any additional permissions. >> > > True, but it's extra files that have to be copied in; it's just as easy to > change /MT:DLL (or whatever

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread Jon Sandström
Brecht Van Lommel skrev: > > I think this is where we disagree > then i will not push this much further, i've made my point and i hope it has been taken, which i appreciate. i must only once more say that the proposed workflow co-exists with current, it does not replace it. how you use it is

[Bf-committers] build issues with Debian etch

2009-11-19 Thread Ken Hughes
I decided I'd better try building 2.50 in my chroot environment and ran into some issue with compatibility. In file included from source/blender/blenkernel/intern/colortools.c:56: source/blender/blenlib/BLI_threads.h:81: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘ThreadRWMut

Re: [Bf-committers] meetings for new developers

2009-11-19 Thread Roger Wickes
As Education moderator, I would be happy to moderate/conduct/scribe the meeting. However, it will not be a rotating times, because that introduces a decision point into the attendee process. They have to remember where to look in advance in order to determine the time and then mark that once an

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread GSR
Hi, damir_pre...@yahoo.com (2009-11-19 at 0209.31 -0800): > 1. Translate and Scale buttons under Object Tools panel are > impractical and almost unusable. Example: When I click on Move > button, selected object will start to move instantly. Unless I hold > the Shift key, by the time my cursor reac

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
Hi Jon, 2009/11/19 Jon Sandström : > -I do not add another level of navigation, i only want to enhance the > current, and it is not true you do not have to navigate the panels as > you always have to navigate and scan the interface with your eyes. This > is easier when less content is displayed. A

Re: [Bf-committers] EXR Link error?

2009-11-19 Thread jonathan d p ferguson
hi. On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Galen Beals wrote: > I've been unable to make a build of blender recently. Ever since I > started testing out my own builds of Raman (open source node > compositor) I have been getting this same error when compiling Blender > 2.5 on OSX using Scons: This is a lin

[Bf-committers] EXR Link error?

2009-11-19 Thread Galen Beals
I've been unable to make a build of blender recently. Ever since I started testing out my own builds of Raman (open source node compositor) I have been getting this same error when compiling Blender 2.5 on OSX using Scons: Linking program ==> 'blender' Undefined symbols: "Imf::Channel::Ch

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread GSR
Hi, the...@yahoo.com (2009-11-19 at 1101.32 -0800): > As Brecht said, manipulators are still there, there's nothing new under the > sun, it's just an additional way to invoke the tools, it doesn't replace any > of the existing methods. Yes, I agree about direct manipulation via shortcuts or mani

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread GSR
Hi, s...@student.chalmers.se (2009-11-19 at 2050.15 +0100): >> "Having to open a panel each time you want click a button in it just >> seems quite slow to me, and also makes it harder to find things at a >> glance." > - It is faster than having to scroll, and it is faster to find desired > setti

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread Jon Sandström
Thank you very much for the feedback, it is highly appreciated now let me answer to some of your statements: "Having to open a panel each time you want click a button in it just seems quite slow to me, and also makes it harder to find things at a glance." - It is faster than having to scroll, an

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread Martin Poirier
--- On Thu, 11/19/09, GSR wrote: > From: GSR > Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features > To: bf-committers@blender.org > Received: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 1:57 PM > Hi, > the...@yahoo.com > (2009-11-19 at 0904.17 -0800): > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/1

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread GSR
Hi, the...@yahoo.com (2009-11-19 at 0904.17 -0800): > > > --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Damir Prebeg wrote: > > > 1st. issue: Select cube and click on that translate button. > > How far can you move cube to the left side of 3D View? Same > > with Scale button, how much can you scale up that object? >

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows SXS hell

2009-11-19 Thread Charles Wardlaw
> > The dll can be redistributed next to the blender executable, it doesn't > have to be installed. > > That doesn't require any additional permissions. > True, but it's extra files that have to be copied in; it's just as easy to change /MT:DLL (or whatever that switch is) to /MT in the compile fl

[Bf-committers] Texture properties weirdness

2009-11-19 Thread Roland Hess
As I've been working with materials and texturing in 2.5 for the past week, a weird interface notion keeps sticking out at me. When choosing the texture type, certain panels enter and exit existence, which is fine. The problem is that there is no visual distinction between which panels in the t

Re: [Bf-committers] Search feature to CTRL+F

2009-11-19 Thread Mitchell Stokes
+1 I hit the spacebar all the time in 2.5 as well to try and add objects. =/ ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers

Re: [Bf-committers] meetings for new developers

2009-11-19 Thread Mitchell Stokes
I like the idea of rotating times. I could help with meetings that are later then the regular meeting times. Earlier just doesn't work for me (the regular meetings are already at 7am for me). Although, the only part of Blender's code that I know about is the BGE, so I might not be too helpful in me

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
Hi Jon, I don't really like this approach, as to me it feels like giving up trying to reduce the number of clicks. Having to open a panel each time you want click a button in it just seems quite slow to me, and also makes it harder to find things at a glance. I can understand how it would be help

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
Hi, On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Damir Prebeg wrote: > Thanks for your reply William. I'm Blender user from 2005 and there's a lot > of things in that old UI that bothered me. But I think that making new > mistakes can't fix old problems. Here is some more explanations: > > 1st. issue: Sele

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread Martin Poirier
--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Damir Prebeg wrote: > 1st. issue: Select cube and click on that translate button. > How far can you move cube to the left side of 3D View? Same > with Scale button, how much can you scale up that object? With the continuous grab option (which should work on all platforms)

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread Damir Prebeg
Thanks for your reply William. I'm Blender user from 2005 and there's a lot of things in that old UI that bothered me. But I think that making new mistakes can't fix old problems. Here is some more explanations: 1st. issue: Select cube and click on that translate button. How far can you move cu

[Bf-committers] Internationalization (i18n) and blender state of affairs...

2009-11-19 Thread Kent Mein
So we have a couple of pending issues with our international support. I started looking at this before the big 2.5 push, and decided it was better to wait until we actually knew what was going on with 2.5. I think were to the point where we can start dealing with this. I talked to Ideasman and Di

Re: [Bf-committers] Windows SXS hell

2009-11-19 Thread Martin Poirier
The dll can be redistributed next to the blender executable, it doesn't have to be installed. That doesn't require any additional permissions. Martin --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Charles Wardlaw wrote: > From: Charles Wardlaw > Subject: [Bf-committers] Windows SXS hell > To: "bf-blender developers"

[Bf-committers] Windows SXS hell

2009-11-19 Thread Charles Wardlaw
Hi folks, I wanted to ask the Windows platform builders: can you configure the build to compile without the need for the VC Redist package? On some machines, particularly the locked down ones at work, getting around SXS problems can be problematic. It'd be so much easier if Blender just built th

Re: [Bf-committers] Search feature to CTRL+F

2009-11-19 Thread Wahooney
+1 here too. Although searching in 3d apps is not the first thing I attempt, ctrl f does make more sense. As does space for the add/context sensitive menu, chances are that you'll add far more than you'll search, so having a bigger button for the job will be useful. I still accidentally press

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread Jon Sandström
I wrote a proposal that adress your second statement (and more) some time ago to the taskforce-25 list. It didn't get too much attention then, but i'll include it in this mail as nothing has been done, and i did not get very much feedback. here is the original mail: -- The buttons wi

[Bf-committers] Search feature to CTRL+F

2009-11-19 Thread Pablo Vazquez - www.venomgfx.com.ar
+1 My first try in every software I want to find something is always Ctrl+F. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 14:49, Thomas Dinges wrote: > Why not have that "Standard Configuration" also for the search tool? > Let's make Search Tool CTRL+F, and give Spacebar back to Add Objects, > Add Nodes, Add VSE St

[Bf-committers] Search feature to CTRL+F

2009-11-19 Thread Thomas Dinges
Hey, as we get closer to the first testing release i want to suggest something I had in mind for quite some time. Additionally to the well known hotkeys for Opening/Saving etc. we added "Standard Hotkeys" in 2.5, like CTRL+O or CTRL+N. Why not have that "Standard Configuration" also for the sear

Re: [Bf-committers] meetings for new developers

2009-11-19 Thread Dalai Felinto
I love this idea. I would even suggest to have a wiki page or similar where people could put some of their questions prior to the meeting. (not mandatory to have all the questions pre-made, but it could help to organize/plan the meeting) Cheers, Dalai http://blenderecia.orgfree.com 2009/11/19 Ge

Re: [Bf-committers] Is there a list of what blender svn reqiures to build somewhere?

2009-11-19 Thread Campbell Barton
http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Building_Blender/2.5/Linux#Setting_up_Python_3.1 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Dave Plater wrote: > On 11/19/2009 12:21 PM, Damir Prebeg wrote: >> Hi there. Generally, you can find instructions for all platforms and list of >> needed packages here: >

Re: [Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread William Reynish
Hi Damir, Thanks for taking the time to write this mail. It's very appreciated when someone actually takes some time to write a more detailed, useful description of an issue. I don't properly understand what you mean with issue 1 though. It is true that translations in Blender are modal, but t

Re: [Bf-committers] Is there a list of what blender svn reqiures to build somewhere?

2009-11-19 Thread Dave Plater
On 11/19/2009 12:21 PM, Damir Prebeg wrote: > Hi there. Generally, you can find instructions for all platforms and list of > needed packages here: > > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Building_Blender > > Best regards, > > Damir > > > > --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Dave Plater wrote: > > From:

Re: [Bf-committers] meetings for new developers

2009-11-19 Thread George ..
I like the format you're suggesting. I've been on the mailing list for at least a year now and have played with Blender's source code a little longer, in-between school and work. It's big and easy to get lost in. So, any guidance on where to start, or some pointers would be helpful. Also, the m

Re: [Bf-committers] meetings for new developers

2009-11-19 Thread Campbell Barton
* Not interested in streaming video, a pain to setup and not necessary for technical discussion. * Web interface to IRC (suggested by Bob) would be good, Ton suggested graphicall could run a web portal to blender IRC rooms. * For myself, when in Au, after the meeting is very impracticable (would

Re: [Bf-committers] Is there a list of what blender svn reqiures to build somewhere?

2009-11-19 Thread Damir Prebeg
Hi there. Generally, you can find instructions for all platforms and list of needed packages here: http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Building_Blender Best regards, Damir --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Dave Plater wrote: From: Dave Plater Subject: [Bf-committers] Is there a list of what bl

[Bf-committers] Actuall usability of some tools and new features

2009-11-19 Thread Damir Prebeg
I know that our programmers are making great efforts to make our beloved Blender better but I think that some UI changes and additions are not necessary a step forward. 1. Translate and Scale buttons under Object Tools panel are impractical and almost unusable. Example: When I click on Move but

Re: [Bf-committers] meetings for new developers

2009-11-19 Thread Carsten Wartmann
Knapp schrieb: > refresh instead of a camera. Then we could teach by giving the student > URL and they could watch our desktop with blender live. This might > work well for teaching new devs too. A picture is worth a 1000 words > and a live movie?? Streaming Blender session over internet seems qui

[Bf-committers] Is there a list of what blender svn reqiures to build somewhere?

2009-11-19 Thread Dave Plater
Hi, I searched the blender.org site looking for a list of packages required to build svn blender but couldn't find one. Could somebody possibly help me out with this? Regards Dave P ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.bl