Re: [Bf-committers] Blender Center of Mass - Voxel data better algorithm?

2013-06-17 Thread Joel Godin
So basically there will be two paths. 1) The Non-manifold mesh creator will more than likely not be creating a 3D print.  Will be okay with the current algorithm. 2) The 3D print modeller will be creating a manifold object and so Origin to Center of Mass (volume) should do the improved algorithm.

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Dalai Felinto
Hi Matt, > In that network it looks like you're applying two translations to two > multi-view streams. The View Switch node only links the input for the "current" view. https://github.com/dfelinto/blender/blob/multiview/blender/source/blender/compositor/nodes/COM_SwitchViewNode.cpp So the netwo

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Matt Ebb
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Dalai Felinto wrote: > > All the per-stream tweak can be accomplished with the "View Switch" > node. e.g., to set the convergence you can do: > > http://dalaifelinto.com/ftp/tmp/multiview_convergence1.jpg > http://dalaifelinto.com/ftp/tmp/multiview_convergence2.j

Re: [Bf-committers] Multi-view branch UI proposal

2013-06-17 Thread Adriano Oliveira
Ok for Select View logic as long as it is a EXR recomandation. Here goes a 1.2 Update, with other small fixes. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33950890/multiview%20UI.pdf Adriano A. Oliveira Livro: http://goo.gl/WtcNX Lattes: http://lattes.cnpq.br/8343393957854863 Blog "Anodinidades": http

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Dalai Felinto
Hi Matt, Thanks for the nuke what-abouts. That does sound like what we are doing. With the difference that once the stream started as multiview, it has to end as multiview. And whether the stream is multiview or not is determined by the "current scene" multiview settings - this way if you want to

Re: [Bf-committers] Blender roadmap article on code blog

2013-06-17 Thread Daniel Stokes
Ton, Thank you for your response. It sounds like what you have in mind is actually similar to thoughts I have already had for the game engine, though perhaps on a more ambitious scale. It would certainly help BGE development if more of the game engine code was shared with the rest of Blender. I l

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Adriano Oliveira
> I haven't used this blender multiview branch and have only skimmed over > this thread briefly, but it seems to me that it works in a similar way to > nuke. In nuke, you can set up as many views as you like, and by default, nodes will apply the same processing to the multiple views in an input >

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Matt Ebb
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Adriano Oliveira wrote: > > But can you explain to me specifically why that is better than the > workflow used in the branch? > > Because it is more simple and better fits in actual Blender logic. It is > also the way everey other composite sistem works, as far as

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Dalai Felinto
> So I guess you would have to create a mask for each side manually for now. And then use the View Switch node to use them. There may be ways to integrate the movie clip pipeline with stereo, but I honestly haven't thought about it. > Sebastian Schneider's add-on creates parallax plane, near and

Re: [Bf-committers] Multi-view branch UI proposal

2013-06-17 Thread Dalai Felinto
Some comments: 1) You are mixing up display modes (side-by-side, anaglyph, ..) with view selector (left, right, ...). That's a bad design in my opinion. 2) The view modes (side-by-side, ...) "have to" be applied for the whole screen. Right now you choice the 3D stereo display mode in user prefere

[Bf-committers] Multi-view branch UI proposal

2013-06-17 Thread Adriano Oliveira
Hi Brecht and Dalai, Here goes a visual proposal: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33950890/multiview%20UI.pdf Adriano ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers

Re: [Bf-committers] Pausing render

2013-06-17 Thread Harley Acheson
Actually I'd love more than just a "pause". I'd like to save the entire rendering state into the blend file. So I can launch Blender, open up an existing file and continue rendering from where it left off the last time. So create a film file like Luxrender's Fleximage but also also allow us to p

Re: [Bf-committers] Pausing render

2013-06-17 Thread Knapp
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Pablo López Soriano wrote: > Hey Knapp, there is a workaround to "pause" the render: export in image > sequence. If you cancel the render you will always have all the rendered > frames saved, and could start another render from the last rendered frame. > Cheers, >

Re: [Bf-committers] Buildbot setup for MSVC 2012 testbuilds

2013-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
Ok, i am tired, postet the wrong version oft he patch :( The porper versin is here: http://www.pasteall.org/43250 I'll go to bed now ^_^ The build bot is tested locally and can be started as soon as scons is patched ;) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: bf-committers-boun...@blender.org

Re: [Bf-committers] Buildbot setup for MSVC 2012 testbuilds

2013-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
Alright, this little problem bugged me, so I fixed it! I got rid of the second config file and found a way to detect the used MSVC Version within the config. Patch for scons and buildbot attached ;) http://www.pasteall.org/43249 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: bf-committers-boun...@ble

Re: [Bf-committers] BGE Future

2013-06-17 Thread Jacob Merrill
This could get ALOT of money for developing the BGE. I have a design for a project now. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Jacob Merrill wrote: > What about working a > On a studio quality game, with a online server, that is designed for user > generated content, that serves adds? > Have in

Re: [Bf-committers] BGE Future

2013-06-17 Thread Jacob Merrill
What about working a On a studio quality game, with a online server, that is designed for user generated content, that serves adds? Have in game shop items that cost real money On Jun 17, 2013 7:30 AM, "Gavin Howard" wrote: > All, > > I'm starting a new thread because it looks like the previo

Re: [Bf-committers] Buildbot setup for MSVC 2012 testbuilds

2013-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
Hi again, i prepared buildbot and scons fort he buildbot builds. Now buildbot will create a package named blender-VERSION-REVISION-PLATFORM-vc11.zip for VC 2012 builds. Compiling and Packaging works well now, I'll try to start the Buildbot for x64 as soon as the patch is approved and commited

Re: [Bf-committers] Buildbot setup for MSVC 2012 testbuilds

2013-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
Hi Brecht, I tried that by usingf if env['MSVC_VERSION'] == '11.0': But it seems that "env" is not present in the scope of this config file, it always fails :( The MacOSX config file uses system commands to determine their versions, but this is quite hard for windows. /Jürgen -Ursprüngli

Re: [Bf-committers] Buildbot setup for MSVC 2012 testbuilds

2013-06-17 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
It looks good to me, except that perhaps we can avoid copying the config file. Can we add if/else in the win64-vc-config.py based on the MSVS version? It's only 4 lines or so that are actually different. Brecht. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Jürgen Herrmann wrote: > Sorry, my fault ... gettin

Re: [Bf-committers] Blender roadmap article on code blog

2013-06-17 Thread Przemyslaw Golab
Really good reference of GE and Animation Tool integration is Source Film Maker it's really powerful tool Allowing to record gameplay and edit it as animations in traditional fashion, even if it's point cloud bake per frame. Something like this could benefit Blender in new production workflows, ac

Re: [Bf-committers] Buildbot setup for MSVC 2012 testbuilds

2013-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
Sorry, my fault ... getting tired ;) http://www.pasteall.org/43245 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: bf-committers-boun...@blender.org [mailto:bf-committers-boun...@blender.org] Im Auftrag von Thomas Dinges Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juni 2013 18:39 An: bf-blender developers Betreff: Re: [Bf-co

Re: [Bf-committers] Buildbot setup for MSVC 2012 testbuilds

2013-06-17 Thread Thomas Dinges
Hi Jürgen, the patch didn't get attached, maybe upload it to pasteall.org. Thanks, Thomas Am 17.06.2013 18:37, schrieb Jürgen Herrmann: > Hi Brecht and Thomas, > > I attached my patch for SCons. > I tested this with VC 2008 and 2012 and MinGW64. > I don't have other systems to test right now :/ >

Re: [Bf-committers] Buildbot setup for MSVC 2012 testbuilds

2013-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
Hi Brecht and Thomas, I attached my patch for SCons. I tested this with VC 2008 and 2012 and MinGW64. I don't have other systems to test right now :/ It works quite well though this is a little hacky because I don't get into the internals of SCons that good. I set it to default to MSVC 2008 so

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Adriano Oliveira
Brecht, I think I wrote enogh to explain my analisys. It is a lot more than simply "my way is better". Let's wait for other users that are rely working with stereo to publish their feedbacks too. I rest my case for now ;) Adriano 2013/6/17 Brecht Van Lommel > Hi Adriano, > > I can't do much

Re: [Bf-committers] Blender roadmap article on code blog

2013-06-17 Thread Ton Roosendaal
Hi Daniel, I wrote the blog post as a discussion piece, something we can spend on for months, or a year, or as much time we need. We have a quite long way to go before "a new GE" can be defined to be feasible anyway. I would also like to see a wide consensus about future plans for Blender. For

Re: [Bf-committers] Blender roadmap article on code blog

2013-06-17 Thread Ton Roosendaal
Hi Daniel, (The long version) The proposal I wrote for the GE future is not really news for me, it's always been my dream to have a 3d tool that seamlessly merges 3D creation for realtime interaction and traditional film/animation making. That's why I started Blender's GE in 1996. I'm still to

[Bf-committers] BGE Future

2013-06-17 Thread Gavin Howard
All, I'm starting a new thread because it looks like the previous thread got mixed in with another thread. I never thought that I would write a post like this, but quite frankly, I was surprised by how quickly user opposition cropped up from Ton's proposed changes to the BGE. At this point, I fee

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Ronan Ducluzeau aka "zeauro" wrote: > I did not have time to test it seriously. > But how should a user use vector masking with this ? > Shall we create a mask for left view another one for right view and > hoping that those differently created masks will perfectly

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
Hi Adriano, I can't do much with this answer, to me this reads "it's better because it's better". It doesn't explain how anything that is possible in your workflow will not be possible now, or how your workflow is simpler. I'd like to understand it but as far as I can tell you are just reiterating

Re: [Bf-committers] Pausing render

2013-06-17 Thread Pablo López Soriano
Hey Knapp, there is a workaround to "pause" the render: export in image sequence. If you cancel the render you will always have all the rendered frames saved, and could start another render from the last rendered frame. Cheers, Pab. 2013/6/15 Knapp > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Jürgen Her

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Ronan Ducluzeau aka "zeauro"
I did not have time to test it seriously. But how should a user use vector masking with this ? Shall we create a mask for left view another one for right view and hoping that those differently created masks will perfectly fit in multiview ? Could it be possible to have a center view to do this ki

Re: [Bf-committers] Blender roadmap article on code blog

2013-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
Hi, I don't think OpenGL 2.1 will cause problems at all on XP but API features of Windows do. We already had to patch OIIO to avoid calls to InterlockedCompareExchange64 because XP doesn't support it. In the future there will be more problems with API and compiler intrinsics not supported. So

Re: [Bf-committers] Blender roadmap article on code blog

2013-06-17 Thread Ton Roosendaal
Hi, We only have to respect two aspects for supported platforms: - be able to move forward with Blender in ways we like to - have developers available to keep platforms supported Market shares don't have to play a role. I also don't know of any project here that would practically require to dro

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Adriano Oliveira
Hi Brecht, > But can you explain to me specifically why that is better than the workflow used in the branch? Because it is more simple and better fits in actual Blender logic. It is also the way everey other composite sistem works, as far as I know. > But why? How is this different from the Ren

Re: [Bf-committers] Buildbot setup for MSVC 2012 testbuilds

2013-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
Thanks Brecht ;) I'll try to get this running this evening. I'll still have to look into scons build. I got it to work by querying env['MSVS_VERSION'] which is automatically set to 11.0 when vs2012 is installed. But I'll have to test in another machine without VS2012 and with VS2008 if it doesn't

Re: [Bf-committers] Buildbot setup for MSVC 2012 testbuilds

2013-06-17 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
I've sent you a mail with all the details. On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Jürgen Herrmann wrote: > Hi there, > > > > as I have scons working with MSVC2012 now, I’d like to set up a buildbot for > testbuilds. > > I found the documentation on this in the wiki. > > It seems that I need a buildbot

Re: [Bf-committers] Multiview branch feedback

2013-06-17 Thread Brecht Van Lommel
Hi Adriano, On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Adriano Oliveira wrote: > Schneider's approach relies in Composite for obtain stereo results. This is > perfect for my outputs because it offers me control and uses what is right > there in Blender already. My stereo outputs are: (1) Side by site or ov

Re: [Bf-committers] Blender roadmap article on code blog

2013-06-17 Thread Benjamin Tolputt
On 17/06/2013, at 8:22 PM, Angus Hollands wrote: > In response to B. Tolputt's email, I think there are one or two things that > need to be addressed. Firstly, the animation tools are perfectly functional > in both Blender and BGE, unless you could clarify. Blender does not have Animation Blend T

Re: [Bf-committers] Blender roadmap article on code blog

2013-06-17 Thread Ronan Ducluzeau aka "zeauro"
I think that Ton should be conscious that people don' t really know how to use BGE. Serious ressources about BGE like mike pan's files are 2.5 .blends. You have to find a complex project to understand the meaning of states in logic editor. Yo!Frankie is outdated. There are few games that can demo

Re: [Bf-committers] Blender roadmap article on code blog

2013-06-17 Thread Angus Hollands
In response to B. Tolputt's email, I think there are one or two things that need to be addressed. Firstly, the animation tools are perfectly functional in both Blender and BGE, unless you could clarify. The multiplayer aspect is true, and something that I am working on, and considering that unity i

Re: [Bf-committers] Blender roadmap article on code blog

2013-06-17 Thread Jürgen Herrmann
Hi Bastien, Good to hear that I am not totally alone with my point of view ;-) Ton sent in some interesting statistics of the blender.org website visitors: http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2013-May/040268.html http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2013-May/040269.html ht

Re: [Bf-committers] Blender roadmap article on code blog

2013-06-17 Thread Bastien Montagne
Please don’t be stupid! Comparing XP and Linux on a market share basis is just pure nonsense. There’s at least two huge differences between those OS's: *One is 12 years old, the other one is plain modern (don’t think anyone would care to maintain Blender for over 10 years old linux, nor even for