Re: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-11 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 3/11/23 10:43 AM, Fred Morris wrote: I've found myself in situations in the past where NOTIFY has been fetishized as "real time" "real time" can be a VERY loaded phrase. Some sometimes it's measured in fractions of a second. Other times it's measured in minutes. I've always simply

Re: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-11 Thread Fred Morris
I've found myself in situations in the past where NOTIFY has been fetishized as "real time", and nobody ever ever asked which upstream server was being queried as a result. So this has been an eye-opening thread, and if I ever find myself in that situation again it'll give me something else to

Re: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-11 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 3/11/23 10:37 AM, Paul Stead wrote: Sorry I should have made it clearer that the notifier should only be shuffled to the top of the list if it is a defined primary for said zone. Okay. The try the notifier first /if/ it's a configured primary makes more sense to me. I guess I've not had

Re: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-11 Thread Paul Stead
Sorry I should have made it clearer that the notifier should only be shuffled to the top of the list if it is a defined primary for said zone. I.e An IP on the notify-from list, but not a configured primary wouldn't be in the list of primaries for that zone so would not be shuffled to the top of

Re: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-11 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
Hi Paul, Thank you for explaining. On 3/10/23 12:21 AM, Paul Stead wrote: Imagine that 1.1.1.1 has lost network connectivity recently. A notify comes from 2.2.2.2 - if I understand correctly Bind will try 1.1.1.1 first, time out and then try 2.2.2.2 - even though we know given the situation

Re: AW: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-10 Thread Anand Buddhdev
On 09/03/2023 21:25, Klaus Darilion via bind-users wrote: [snip] PS: Latest PowerDNS tries the NOTIFY source first. MAybe someone knows how Knot and NSD behave? Knot DNS only tries to refresh from primaries that sent the NOTIFY. It doesn't even try the other configured primaries. However, if

Re: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-09 Thread Paul Stead
On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, 23:53 Grant Taylor via bind-users, < bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote: > On 3/9/23 2:25 PM, Paul Stead wrote: > > Chiming in to say +1 to Kalus' logic and sight of benefit here. > > Please forgive my ignorance in asking: > > Why doesn't the order of the configured primaries

Re: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-09 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 3/9/23 2:25 PM, Paul Stead wrote: Chiming in to say +1 to Kalus' logic and sight of benefit here. Please forgive my ignorance in asking: Why doesn't the order of the configured primaries suffice? N.B. I'm assuming that this is the the order of the primaries for a zone in the named.conf

Re: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-09 Thread Paul Stead
On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, 20:27 Klaus Darilion via bind-users, < bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote: > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: bind-users Im Auftrag von Mark > > Andrews > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 21:04 > > > > Named just uses the notify to trigger an early refresh

AW: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-09 Thread Klaus Darilion via bind-users
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: bind-users Im Auftrag von Mark > Andrews > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 21:04 > An: Jan-Piet Mens > Cc: bind-users@lists.isc.org > Betreff: Re: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source > > Named just uses the

Re: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-09 Thread Mark Andrews
Named just uses the notify to trigger an early refresh process. It then just asks the primaries in configured order. There is no real point in trying the notifier first. -- Mark Andrews > On 10 Mar 2023, at 06:00, Jan-Piet Mens wrote: > >  >> >> I always was quite sure that Bind will

Re: Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-09 Thread Jan-Piet Mens
I always was quite sure that Bind will request XFR from the Primary that sent the NOTIFY. my understanding has always been that the primaries are tried in configured order. Looking forward to hear which is actually correct. :) -JP -- Visit

Correlation between NOTIFY-Source and AXFR-Source

2023-03-09 Thread Klaus Darilion via bind-users
Hello! I always was quite sure that Bind will request XFR from the Primary that sent the NOTIFY. config: masters { X.X.X.4; X.X.X.20; }; Bind Version 9.11.5.P4+dfsg-5.1+deb10u8 But I just saw this in the logs that the first NOTIFY is received from .20, but AXFR is