On Mon, 2017-07-17 at 14:01 +0300, Xu Pu Ti wrote:
> I'm having trouble understanding why would it still be problematic if
> both old and new symbols are available.
As I understand the description you've linked to, the issue is that
while the libstdc++ library supports both, any program may only l
On Fri, 2017-07-07 at 14:55 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> Oh, Thanks, Pierre. Good to learn. Java applets are very much a
> mixed blessing. I don't *know* that anything I do needs them. If I
> knew that for sure, and had good confidence it would remain so, I'd
> just as soon not support them--npr
On Sun, 2017-07-02 at 17:41 +1000, Wayne Blaszczyk wrote:
> I can no longer remember why I've included fuse as part of my build.
> Looking back at my build history, I first added fuse back in 2012,
> when I added Rhythmbox, which I no longer use. I'm thinking of
> dropping fuse from my build all to
On Sat, 2017-06-10 at 19:26 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> But as I don't build gnome, and don't cobble together new apps from
> mashups of different languages, I'm not seeing what good it is to me.
It's not about mashing up different languages - it's simply a tool for
writing apps in languages other
On Fri, 2017-05-26 at 14:06 +0100, akhiezer wrote:
> > Not quite sure if you're extolling 'make' over 'tsort' there, or if
> the (slightly passive-aggressive?) tone/wording is to indicate the
> other way 'round.
Actually, I'd never known there was such a thing as a UNIX tsort
command until now. Th
On Thu, 2017-05-25 at 14:03 +, William Harrington wrote:
> Hello Simon,
>
> So pretty much like this right? Can work around circular deps real
> well
> with Make.
>
> cat Makefile
> vim: Gtk2 GPM Lua Python2 Ruby
> @echo vim
>
> Gtk2: Atk2 Gdk-pixbuf Pango hicolor-icon-theme
>
On Wed, 2017-05-24 at 15:14 +, William Harrington wrote:
> In the past I have attempted to use topological sorting (tsort). This
> method takes a bit of time if you start with an App with a lot of
> deps. A rought example through book and required/recommended deps and
> coming up with something
On Mon, 2017-04-17 at 15:28 +0100, Jeremy Henty wrote:
> In fact "set -e" makes things even stranger. I thought that "this
> && that" was equivalent to "if this ; then that ; else false ; fi",
> but after "set -e", "false && true" returns status 1 to the shell,
> but "if false ; then true ; els
On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 11:29 +, Jeremy Henty wrote:
> Unfortunately I can't get https links to work:
>
> wget-1.19.1 complains:
>
> ERROR: no certificate subject alternative name matches
> requested host name ‘ftp.mutt.org’.
>
> curl-7.53.1 complains:
>
> curl: (51) S
On Wed, 2017-02-01 at 09:00 +0100, Theresa Williams wrote:
> On the desktop of every user - privileged or not - are icons for
> /dev, /run, /proc etc - most of the root directories. These open
> Thunar.
>
You mention /dev, /run, and /proc - but not /bin, /etc, or /lib. And
what those things all h
On Sun, 2017-01-08 at 23:42 -0500, Michael Shell wrote:
> Does anyone know if any other applications also rely on this
> animation patch for libpng? Kind of a bad spot to be in to depend
> on functionality that the libpng developers won't accept into the
> mainstream.
Not aware of anything. As yo
On Sun, 2016-07-17 at 16:08 -0400, Michael Shell wrote:
> A Google search for
>
> SATA cable come loose
>
> is really eye opening and features this rant:
>
Well, if you compare with PATA cables, yeah... my experience of those
was that once you'd plugged it in, you would *never* get it out agai
On Sat, 2016-06-04 at 18:03 +0200, Pierre Labastie wrote:
> What happens if you connect to a machine that does not use utf8?
Such as? I mean, sure, not everything is Linux... but most UNIX
variants support UTF-8 just fine these days, don't they?
Simon.
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On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 02:30 +0100, Ken Moffat wrote:
> And now you seem to think it will be trivial for us to initially
> add a list of packages which can use this package, and on subsequent
> edits review that list for things which have dropped out or started
> to use this (arguably, if we did tha
On Mon, 2016-05-30 at 04:32 +0100, Ken Moffat wrote:
> "Which fonts do you guys use for CJK languages ?"
Japanese is the only CJK language I deal with - I can't read it, but I
work with Japanese translations of our software, so I need to be able
to at least display it correctly.
I use the IPAex f
On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 18:11 +0530, Aniket Bhattacharyea wrote:
> After making the LFS, I've made a brand logo to go with it. Where
> could I place the logo for the system to recognize it?
> Note: This is not the bootup logo I'm talking about. It's the brand
> logo, which, for example, is shown when
On Tue, 2016-05-24 at 15:36 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> And seems like lots of stuff wants glib. OK, thanks Simon. Looks
> like I ought to include it in the future.
Probably, yeah. You *might* not need it... but if you find out the hard
way that you need it installed, you'll likely also have to
On Sun, 2016-05-22 at 14:50 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> I had seen that. That is what gave me a clue about what it does,
> and why it might be something that may find broader use, ala GTK,
> besides the number of optional dependencies in the book. Have you
> seen any evidence it's finding wide su
On Thu, 2016-05-19 at 07:40 -0500, Douglas R. Reno wrote:
> That is not true regarding our updates. DJ Lucas and I are committed
> to ensuring that the systemd book stays up to date and a good
> resource at all times. However, neither of us have touched GNOME yet.
Out of curiosity, how much actual
On Tue, 2016-02-16 at 15:42 -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
> Initrams have no use except for distros that might meet an
> unpredictable huge variety of hardware configurations, useless for
> any particular configuration which should have its own customized
> kernel.
On the contrary - a non-intitramfs s
On Sun, 2016-02-14 at 13:31 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> Paul, Remember that LFS/BLFS is targeted towards learning how to put
> together a Linux system. I agree that from a practical standpoint
> that there is no reason to keep /lib, /bin, and /sbin separate, but
> leaving that in does demonstrate
On Tue, 2016-02-09 at 02:44 +, Ken Moffat wrote:
> [in Dr. McCoy's voice] "It's dead Jim"
Well yeah, there is that. With both Ubuntu and Redhat having abandoned
it for Systemd, it's pretty clear Upstart isn't a project with a strong
future... no releases in the past year. I think Chrome OS sti
On Mon, 2016-02-08 at 20:03 -0600, Rob wrote:
> I've been looking at some different startup control methodoligies.
> Basically between systemd and upstart. I like upstart because frankly
> it looks a lot simpler and neater than systemd.
> I'm well into blfs, however, and converting all my services
On Tue, 2016-02-02 at 08:27 -0600, Rob wrote:
> Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>
> That shoul dnot be needed. There should not be any files installed
> in
> > /opt/usr. Make sure that $XORG_PREFIX is defined when installing
> > as
> > the root user. If you are using sudo, use the -E switch (sudo -E
> >
On Tue, 2016-01-19 at 21:06 +0100, Pierre Labastie wrote:
> A lot of sites are now only available with "https". You can compile
> "lynx"
> --with-ssl while in chroot. Of course, it requires openssl, which can
> be
> installed in chroot too.
More than that... HTTPS everywhere is the way things are
On Fri, 2015-12-18 at 12:33 -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
> That should be reinforced in the book. It escaped my
> notice/realization.
I think it's just considered obvious... if you start building with
platform XYZ, that's what you end up with. To some degree, that's why
CLFS exists - to do the more
On Thu, 2015-12-17 at 23:54 +, Ken Moffat wrote:
> I mention intel with regret, I've always
> preferred AMD, but intels since SandyBridge, with the integrated
> graphics, use much less power and give similar build times for many
> things (faster SBU, often little slower at -j4 on an i3 with
> h
On Tue, 2015-12-15 at 21:05 -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
> Are you telling me that all I have to do is build regular LFS-7.7 on
> CentOS and I'll get an x86-64 version automagically?
Well, yeah... unless you do something special (like CLFS), your LFS
build will be the same architecture as the host. I
On Wed, 2015-09-02 at 13:21 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> It really sounds like a network issue to me.
Agreed. Vim does save state regularly to those .swp files, so it does
tend to be very vulnerable to NFS blocking on network issues.
Simon.
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On Tue, 2015-07-07 at 12:52 +0200, Niels Terp wrote:
> I found that /usr/bin/sudo and /usr/bin/su did not have the UID flag
> set. After setting this, I can now use su and sudo from the command
> prompt, but it is still not working in KDE.
Are you doing something funny around package management?
On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 18:41 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> Coming from Sun, I'm not surprized. Never used Solaris, but I
> thought it's more like Unix than GNU/Linux. "Gnu's not Unix!"
Yeah, don't get me started on Solaris... about the only positive thing
I can say about it is that it's not HP-UX.
On Thu, 2015-07-02 at 14:55 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> So presumably nothing is going to use those as named and they ALL
> should be symlinked?
If LO is the only thing using them, yeah, probably.
But personally, I find the idea of "installing" java libraries under
/usr a bit odd. Java-based apps
On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 18:41 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> So I built most of the java stuff, junit-4.11 in particular, acording
> to the BLFS-121102 book, with the exception of going for the OpenJDK
> -1.8.45 because of CVEs against the book's version(s). LibreOffice
> wants that /usr/share/java/j
On Wed, 2015-07-01 at 14:37 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> >
> > Download it. Seriously, nobody ever builds that kind of stuff from
> > source unless they're actually modifying the library in question.
> > When
>
> I decided long ago not to use anybody else's binaries if I could help
> it. I want
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 14:04 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> So, is that the only answer we have? Do not --enable-java. Nobody
> knows how to produce the junit.jar?
Download it. Seriously, nobody ever builds that kind of stuff from
source unless they're actually modifying the library in question. Whe
On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 15:25 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> Name me one thing marketing ever got right! (And I'll name a
> hundred it screwed up.)
Unfair... you get the easy side of that challenge... :)
Simon.
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On Sun, 2015-05-17 at 11:14 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> On the other hand, it seems like more development is being done with
> Python than Perl of late.
I think Perl lost momentum a lot when they switched attention to
development of Perl 6. With that taking so many years to appear, the
current P
On Fri, 2015-04-24 at 11:53 -0400, alex lupu wrote:
> a Wayland convert,
> -- Alex
You're a little way off being a Wayland convert just yet... but libinput
*has* already been a valuable spinoff from the Wayland effort, something
that could be used by Xorg as well.
But as Armin said, Wayland itsel
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 16:26 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> Maybe around version n.3.1. Maybe I'm something of a cynic about such
> things but figure major changes take take about 3 tries to get working,
> minor changes at least 1, and never try version 1.0 of anything, with
> very rare exceptions.
N
On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 09:59 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> I got the impression that OpenJDK is so large, has so many moving parts
> being worked on independently, that it barely holds together.
True enough. There's supposed to be a lot of work towards modularising
the next version(s) of Java - e.g.
On Wed, 2015-03-25 at 17:39 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> It appears to me these scripts could be used to create CA
> Certificates, (and who knows how trustworthy those might be) in a
> user's ~/.ssl where perhaps openssl and/or a browser would accept
> them, quite possibly ushering malware onto the
On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 23:56 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> Oh, well then, let's not protect anything, there's always some other way
> a user can bring in cracking tools. Let's just provide them, shall we?
> The kids might leave the house and not lock the door, so it doesn't do
> any good for us to al
On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 00:36 +, Ken Moffat wrote:
> Would it be cynical to suggest that firefox is mostly developed on
> non-libre systems, which is why it is slow to pick up changes, but
> many of the LO devs use linux ? Probably, so I suppose I'd better
> not say it ;)
Do you mean the fact
On Sat, 2015-02-14 at 03:15 +0100, Armin K. wrote:
> From my past experience (not so recent to be honest), I found that
> Gnash is practically horrible. It couldn't load quite a number of Flash
> apps and when it could, it was hogging CPU like crazy. Even youtube
> wasn't great at the time.
I'd se
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 03:45 -0500, Michael Shell wrote:
> "A function will be called in a sub-shell if its output is piped
> somewhere else - that is, "myfunc 1 2 3 | tee out.log" will
> still say "x is 1" the second time around. This is because a
> new shell process is called to pipe myfunc
On Fri, 2015-01-23 at 03:31 +, Ken Moffat wrote:
> To clarify that: if I add a USB device which appears as a drive,
> and it is not a construct of my printer (really! it loads the
> usb-storage module)
Never seen one of those myself, but from what I gather, they're usually
a tiny amount of f
On 17/12/2014 10:40, rhubarbpie...@gmail.com wrote:
My BLFS 7.6 xterm window displays the wrong prompt, doesn't recognize
aliases, and doesn't allow sourcing scripts. Its prompt is "sh-4.3"
although I have PS1="/w >" in /etc/bashrc. Aliases don't execute and
attempting to source a script result
On Wed, 2014-11-05 at 17:34 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> https://github.com/libical/libical/
>
> There are glyphs for Issues, Pull Requests, Pulse, Graphs, Folders
> (F016), Regular files (F011), and a few other things.
>
> In any case, it's definitely a browser version thing on my every day
> s
On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 23:16 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> My i7 laptop has 8 cores, but overheats if I use all of them hard for
> more than a few minutes. I figured this out with my gcc build.
Yeah, I've seen that with the i7-based laptop we use as a portable demo
machine at work... it puts out a
On Mon, 2014-11-03 at 08:31 -0300, Fernando de Oliveira wrote:
> With git, things are worse:
>
> $ porg -f git-2.1.3 | grep fernando | wc -l
> 29
>
> There are 29 files incorrectly logged.
Out of curiosity, how well does it cope with hard links? Last time I
looked, git installs a ton of those un
On Sat, 2014-10-25 at 21:48 -0400, Alan Feuerbacher wrote:
> Basically, test that it's valid, but in particular that certain W3C
> things work. For me this is a learning exercise.
Ok, but in that case, make sure you distinguish between XML itself, and
things which use XML-based documents (of whic
On Sun, 2014-10-26 at 10:59 +0100, Pierre Labastie wrote:
> Now, what you should be aware of is that the hard part is outside XML: it is
> in the purpose of the XML document itself. As you know, XHTML, HTML5 and
> docbook documents are XML documents, but with a completely different set of
> rules w
On Sat, 2014-10-25 at 17:58 -0400, Alan Feuerbacher wrote:
> I'm wondering if using this tool is the right way to test XML code. Do
> you LFS guys have any suggestions?
What do you mean "test" XML code?
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On Tue, 2014-10-14 at 20:16 +0100, Ken Moffat wrote:
> Odd, I thought that syntax highlighting came for free, the problem
> I had had (a few years ago) was sorting out colours - I prefer a
> black background in my terms. The only thing I can see in either
> /etc/vimrc or ~/.vimrc which seems at a
On Sun, 2014-10-12 at 23:37 +0100, Ken Moffat wrote:
> You _could_ get the bootscript tarballs referenced in those two
> versions, untar them somewhere, and then diff the two trees to see
> what has changed. If you put the output from diff into a file, and
> you have got vim set up nicely, you ca
On Mon, 2014-10-13 at 08:06 -0400, Alan Feuerbacher wrote:
> What are the reasons for building or not building one, two or three
> versions?
Short version, they're three versions of the same package with
incompatible API - first the migration from Gtk+ 2 to 3, then some
further changes required t
On Sun, 2014-08-24 at 16:44 +0200, ALZ (phyglos.org) wrote:
> The meaning of "recommended" and "required" is an editorial choice in
> the context of the book. My experience says that you better take
> recommended dependencies as required or first think about not building
> someone.
Correct. Tha
On Sat, 2014-08-09 at 07:50 +0100, spiky wrote:
> Hi
>
> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/systemd/gnome/geocode-glib.html
>
> ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/geocode-glib/3.12/geocode-glib-3.12.2.tar.bz2
> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/geocode-glib/3.12/geocode-glib-3.12.2
On Fri, 2014-08-08 at 10:31 +0100, Richard Melville wrote:
> Yes, why no support for pppoe? It's an important protocol. I know that
> most people just use a router, generally supplied by their ISP, but
> this is *LFS and some people like to do *everything* from scratch :-)
Doesn't "everything" in
On Sat, 2014-08-02 at 10:31 +1200, Christopher Gregory wrote:
> I still have a lot to learn because I tend to be too long winded in my
> explanations of what switches do etc. Part of that comes from my
> background of working in a call centre for an ISP and also part from
> when I was a systems ad
On Sun, 2014-07-13 at 05:51 +0100, Ken Moffat wrote:
> Another possible alternative, not supported by either LFS or CLFS,
> would be to use a 64-bit kernel but 32-bit userspace. That seems to
> be the variaant which Linus prefers if 32-bit userspace is needed.
Regardless of anything else, I thin
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 21:04 -0400, alex lupu wrote:
> Not gory details; just the wisdom and feasibility of embarking on
> such a
> monumental(?) endeavor versus creating a new system from Scratch.
So, basically you want to install the 64-bit toolchain alongside
existing 32-bit one, turning the sy
On Sat, 2014-06-14 at 23:38 -0700, Paul Rogers wrote:
> I have a few older LFS systems, to which I've just updated openssl-
> 0.9.8za. I see that we're forcing the shared library build. But I'm
> wondering if any of the other networking packages, and firefox, need to
> be rebuilt from scratch bec
On 27/05/2014 08:44, alex lupu wrote:
Simon: Youre a lucky guy. Ken must have a particularly soft spot
for you.
Normally (99.999% of the time) he is very strict about people who top
post:
Yeah, I know, and agree with him. But well, when you're ten thousand
kilometers from home, and your only
As far as I've seen, the menu bar still hasn't completely gone, even in 29.
You can't see it normally, but it appears if you use the standard keys, alt+f
etc to open it. Works for me, since it keeps it out of the way, but allows old
muscle-memory to keep working.
Apologies for top-posting, I'm
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 20:40 +0200, Armin K. wrote:
> As the title says.
>
> I recall they being displayed correctly on windows version of Firefox. I
> think that I may be missing something, but what?
Maybe this list will help?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fonts#Chinese.2C_Japanese.2C_Kor
On Mon, 2014-04-28 at 04:22 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> It looks like browsers are helping and adding the host. The actual html is
As they should. A url such as "/usr/share/..." doesn't specify a
protocol, and as such, can only be interpreted as a path relative to
that of the page you're reading.
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