Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. All of my SSI. They decided they could manage my money better than I could and would decide how much of a stipend I should get. It was all in the name of independence. I guess if they decide how much of my money to hand out, it teaches me to manage money better. I told them

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Glad I'm not the only one on this list who refuses to let social "norms" cut off a significant portion of an important sense that most sighted people so under utilize that they might as well be numb. And the thing is, my dad is the only person who has criticized my choice in footwear, so I can

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
> I've also turned that bridge line on my dad when he complains about me > going barefoot in public and mentions that no one else is barefoot. Your dad and mine sound a lot alike. I've gotten similar for the same reason, as well as rocking, clicking, pacing in circles because it helps me think,

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
> I am a member of the NFB of Dane County (Wisconsin) and it's great. I wish I'd had a similar experience. I didn't start off with negative feelings towards the organization and you were actually one of the interesting individual members I had in mind. Amanda On 4/26/17, Linux for blind general

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hi, John. I love that last bit! And yeah, I agree, if I understand you right, that we should try to be our best, individually and collectively. AlOn 04/26/2017 09:08 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: It's not really your fault, Al. It's mine. I'll admit that this thing about

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I've also turned that bridge line on my dad when he complains about me going barefoot in public and mentions that no one else is barefoot. But yeah, polarization is everywhere these days, too many people take even minor disagreements as blasphemy, and moderates and voice of reason types more

RE: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I would have to say I don’t like ither group. Seth Hurst From: Linux for blind general discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 09:39 To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: OT: ACB & NFB I am a member of the NFB of Dane County (Wisconsin) and it's great. I have met the most unbeliev

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I am a member of the NFB of Dane County (Wisconsin) and it's great. I have met the most unbelievable people in that group. You know the saying, "Get knocked down 9 times, get up ten"? Try get knocked down a thousand times and get up a thousand and one. I used to think I had no reason to hang

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
It's not really your fault, Al. It's mine. I'll admit that this thing about each and every person thinking they have all the answers is ubiquitous in the human race. Like I always say, I can't stand people who think they know everything, that is really annoying to those of us who actually do

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-26 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. I don't know who you are, but I thank you! I couldn't agree more! I went to the LCB. That was the worst month of my life! They tried to take my SSI (I guess I shouldn't be allowed to manage my own money), wouldn't help me learn even basic tasks and told me to sink or swim.

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Sometimes being inflexible is a good thing, sometimes a bad one. It's often but not always easy to know when to do which. Some NFB rehab centers have been more sensible than others in this department. I'm normally a guide dog user, but when I use a cane, the NFB straight cane is for me

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
According to Jeffery Wright: they're only against the proposal because they didn't propose it) Having been a member of the ACB and also attended NFB meetings in the past, this is the attitude I've seen on both sides. The NFB does seem to make their positions that match that philosophy more

Re: OT: ACB & NFB

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
The ACB's lawsuit against the U.S. Department of the Treasury to make them make money accessible was already flawed to say the least. According to the United States Constitution, the power to design money has been delegated to Congress, and the Department of the Treasury is only responsible

Re: OT: ACB & NFB (was: Sonar)

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
believe me, both groups are equally as bad, and for differing reasons and over differing issues. the problem is that the ACB is a split off group from the NFB (sometime in the late 1960's). THis was due to political differences and those differences still exist today. now, one of the items

Re: OT: ACB & NFB (was: Sonar)

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
For what it's worth, I'm all for abolishing currency and avoided cash transactions as much as possible even before I went blind(and I think it criminal that credit card companies are allowed to charge merchants for the privilege of accepting payment with their cards). That said, that US nickels,

OT: ACB & NFB (was: Sonar)

2017-04-25 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
The problem with having 2 different advocacy groups is that turf wars are almost inevitable. Of course, there is also an issue with efficiency, each group has to spend money and volunteer resources on things like offices, employees, web sites, etc. But the main problem is personality