Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-01 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
I think even packets are a network construct. End/end protocols don't write packets. They mostly make writes() and reads and have no clue about packets. Except for, of course, UDP which you know everything about being the original designer. Agreed the telemetry is most interesting and a huge void

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-02 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
I think we need the language of math here. It seems like the network power metric, introduced by Kleinrock and Jaffe in the late 70s, is something useful. Effective end/end queue depths per Little's law also seems useful. Both are available in iperf 2 from a test perspective. Repurposing test techn