Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-13 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima
Tks =) 2011/8/13 Florian Effenberger > Hi, > > Paulo de Souza Lima wrote on 2011-08-13 16:54: > > Just a question I'd like to ask: >> >> I SC private and Core@ the same list or not? >> > > yes. > > Florian > > -- > Florian Effenberger > Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Fo

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-13 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote on 2011-08-13 16:54: Just a question I'd like to ask: I SC private and Core@ the same list or not? yes. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: fl

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-13 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima
2011/8/12 Charles-H. Schulz > Hello David, > > Afaict I list the following ones: > SC private > Just a question I'd like to ask: I SC private and Core@ the same list or not? Cheers. -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima
+1. 2011/8/12 Florian Effenberger > +1 :) > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-08-12 18:46: > >> Thank you Drew. >> > > -- > Florian Effenberger > Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation > Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 > Skype: floeff | Twitter/Ident

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Florian Effenberger
+1 :) Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-08-12 18:46: Thank you Drew. -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to stee

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
2011/8/12 drew > On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 18:08 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > > Hi, > > > > drew wrote on 2011-08-12 17:52: > > > Is it exhaustive? > > > > I just checked the mailing list system. There still is the conference > > jury mailing list, where all paper submissions are being sent to

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread drew
On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 18:08 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > > drew wrote on 2011-08-12 17:52: > > Is it exhaustive? > > I just checked the mailing list system. There still is the conference > jury mailing list, where all paper submissions are being sent to. > Everyone had a chance to

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, drew wrote on 2011-08-12 17:52: Is it exhaustive? I just checked the mailing list system. There still is the conference jury mailing list, where all paper submissions are being sent to. Everyone had a chance to join the jury, we made a public call. Jury discussions are not meant to be a

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread drew
On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 17:48 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > > yep, your list is correct. Is it exhaustive? Tanks, Drew > Some details: > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-08-12 16:20: > > > SC private > > Contains of steering committee plus deputies, plus a few people who have >

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, yep, your list is correct. Some details: Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-08-12 16:20: SC private Contains of steering committee plus deputies, plus a few people who have been involved in the discussion of setting up a foundation, even before TDF was born. Recipient list should be re-de

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Tom Davies
arly no-one here has bad intentions. Regards from Tom :) From: Paulo de Souza Lima To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 15:27:28 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose 2011/8/12 David Nelson >

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima
2011/8/12 David Nelson > Hi Florian, > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Florian Effenberger > wrote: > > I think it has been discussed in public rather often that there is a > private > > list where all the steering committee members are on, and that there are > > private phone calls sometimes

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello David, Afaict I list the following ones: SC private AB private Web infrastructure Security Marketing private (for pr drafting and readiness) As I am personally not subscribed to all of them I might have missed one or taken one as private while it is public. Best, Charles. Le 12 août 2011 1

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima
2011/8/12 Florian Effenberger > Hi, > > > > I think it has been discussed in public rather often that there is a > private list where all the steering committee members are on, and that there > are private phone calls sometimes. > > We never planned to have things in secret, so sorry if that i

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread David Nelson
Hi Florian, On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > I think it has been discussed in public rather often that there is a private > list where all the steering committee members are on, and that there are > private phone calls sometimes. > > We never planned to have things in

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote on 2011-08-12 14:09: I do agree to what Charles said, but I have some things to say on that: There should have a public note, somewhere, explaining that private lists do exist and showing the requirements for a member to be accepted in those lists. What I think is

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima
2011/8/12 Charles-H. Schulz > Hello, > > 2011/8/12 Florian Effenberger > > To second Florian's point about the private list, and to answer Drew's > requests, it is actually rather simple. There is no decision by principle > taken privately on the private mailing list. In fact the steering-discus

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-12 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello, 2011/8/12 Florian Effenberger > Hello, > > let me jump in quickly with a few thoughts: > > - The set-up of this list was discussed in one of last year's steering > commitee public conference calls, and if I remember correctly, it was even a > demand by the community, not by the steering c

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-11 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, let me jump in quickly with a few thoughts: - The set-up of this list was discussed in one of last year's steering commitee public conference calls, and if I remember correctly, it was even a demand by the community, not by the steering committee. (Which does not mean we do not conside

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-11 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima
I fully agree with Drew. Maintaining closed lists is a (bad) behavior from the times of OpenOffice.org and should be abandoned if you want to have a good and clear relationship with the community as a whole. Closed lists caused a lot of problems and distrust in brazillian community. Actually we ha

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-11 Thread David Nelson
Hi, I find this list to be a very useful point of contact with the SC. If people avoid using it for other purposes than discussions in which there is a genuine utility in involving the SC then SC members will be encouraged to read it regularly and properly, and the list will indeed serve its true

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-11 Thread drew
On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:28 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Hi Drew, > > While there's a list for confidential matters and it would be good to: 1- Disclose _all_ private lists used by TDF, along with who in the community is on those lists. To do otherwise is to have both private and secret li

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-11 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hi Drew, While there's a list for confidential matters we intend and want to have a dexision making process that's transparent. This list was designed with the notion that it'd be both a formal tool (voting, opinions of the BoD members, etc.) and a communication tool for important an urgent matter

Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-11 Thread drew
On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 14:10 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Hi, > > This is a short reminder about the purpose of this list. It has been setup > to serve as the SC / BoD primary communication channel. Therefore it > accomodates SC members & requests from project members. While we do > appreciate

[steering-discuss] List discussion & purpose

2011-08-11 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hi, This is a short reminder about the purpose of this list. It has been setup to serve as the SC / BoD primary communication channel. Therefore it accomodates SC members & requests from project members. While we do appreciate everyone's input we'd like to keep non-essential content on other lists