David Cantrell wrote:
> xterms, search.cpan.org, and an editor are all the IDE I need*.
> They're all I *want*.
Charlton Wilbur wrote:
> This is all true, but I'd say, rather than condemning IDEs, that the
> quality of the end result is independent of the quality of the tools,
> but the over
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 17:14 -0400, Mark J. Dulcey wrote:
> I'd vote for Boston Beer Works, on the grounds that I don't get there
> nearly as often. But with one significant restriction... that the Sox
> NOT be playing at Fenway that night. If they are, better to stay out of
> the Fenway area.
S
On Aug 16, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:
> but that isn't the issue. ide's don't help anyone with the real deeper
> problem which is analysis. this harkens back to the concept of one
> good
> expert programmer is better than N junior ones. it comes down to good
> architecture and design
At 11:22 PM 8/16/2007, Bob Rogers wrote:
>I agree these are all nice features, but I've been able to do most of
>them in Emacs for years (decades for some of it, though not with
>Perl).
>I further agree that some bits of Emacs' Perl support could be better,
>but the chief difference seems to be th
On Aug 16, 2007, at 1:00 AM, Tom Metro wrote:
> While we Perl developers tend to scoff at those who use IDEs, I often
> wonder if we're missing out on a productivity boost as a
> consequence of
> using a non-mainstream language. (Of course there are IDEs for Perl.
> Several. Though you rarely h
From: "Richard J. Barbalace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:31:55 -0400
Perhaps the real problem here is that there are too many "old farts" who have
not experienced a modern IDE and what it can offer. In addition to easy
debugging, just a few of the useful features
If I am working on a *nix system, I prefer the simple vi editor, and I usually
use notepad if I am writing something for Windows.
I have tried an editor called SCite, which came bundled with Ruby when I
installed it. It also comes bundled with Wx-Perl if I am not mistaken. I found
the syntax hig
Uri Guttman wrote:
>> "RJB" == Richard J Barbalace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> RJB> None of these should require any setup or effort.
> and none should with any decent editor.
Whereas they *do* require a great deal of effort with an IDE. All the
IDEs I've seen recently were sufficiently o
Ronald J Kimball wrote:
> Okay, we'll go with next Tuesday, 8/21 for the social meeting.
>
> Now, for venue - I propose either Cambridge Brew Company (Kendall Square)
> or Boston Beer Works (Fenway). We've had successful social meetings at
> both places in the past. Under-21s are fine at either
> "RJB" == Richard J Barbalace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
RJB> Hi.
RJB> Quoting Uri Guttman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> i use print for debugging (even in complex multiprocess
>> systems via log files) as i know where and what to print from
>> experience. setting up a debugger to
Hi.
Quoting Uri Guttman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> i use print for debugging (even in complex multiprocess
> systems via log files) as i know where and what to print from
> experience. setting up a debugger to stop at the right place and only
> print the right things is much more work IMO.
That sh
in my day we had to use punch cards and cut out the little holes by hand
with a chisel! and uphill both ways in the snow!!
but i do have a real point to make. i use emacs and no syntax
highlighting or most of cperl's features. i do my own indenting and i
rarely have a syntax bug i can't find/fi
>
>Another "brew pub" in the area is John Harvard's in Harvard Square.
>It's a but yuppity, but has a geek-friendly basement venue :-P
Unless you're in the private room, John Harvard's is really, really loud.
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On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 02:16:12PM -0400, Tom Metro wrote:
>Or worse, needing to look up the syntax of
> a Perl operator where you have to waste time paging through perlop.
When I mumbled at p5p some years ago about making a perldoc -f
equivalent for perlop, people sa
Yeah, ActiveStates' early debugger and AS Perl were bundled with the OReilly
Perl windows boxed set on a CDr.
--Original Message--
From: Andy Oram
To: Tom Metro
Cc: boston-pm@mail.pm.org
Sent: Aug 16, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Boston.pm] refactoring tools and IDEs
Regarding this detail
Regarding this detail:
>> A graphical debugger front end *is* nice. I used O'Reilly's original
>> one (pre Komodo), it really helped on certain issues.
>O'Reilly or do you mean ActiveState?
I believe ActiveState developed it early on when O'Reilly was one of the
company's funders. Easy to get
> you should see the london.pm social notices. someone picks a place and
> that is it. they have many more of them than we do. we used to have them
> more often and i think we should do them at least quarterly if
> possible. just someone (doesn't have to be ronald) pick a night and
> place and peop
William Ricker wrote:
> Asking everyone who's used any perl ide to share could be a
> stone-soup meeting sometime.
A brief one, I imagine. :-)
> A good programmer's editor that can colorize syntax and autoindent
> and hop to matching or enclosing braces is half the battle. Most of
> us who "don'
Thank you for doing your civic duty.
How well does john Harvards handle groups?
--Original Message--
From: Jerrad Pierce
To: boston-pm@mail.pm.org
Sent: Aug 16, 2007 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Boston.pm] Social Meeting in August
If CBC I recommend the patio.
If BBW why Fenway? Canal Street
> "JP" == Jerrad Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JP> Another "brew pub" in the area is John Harvard's in Harvard Square.
JP> It's a but yuppity, but has a geek-friendly basement venue :-P
and that is the noisiest brewpub around. not fun unless you all want to
yell at each other. and ve
If CBC I recommend the patio.
If BBW why Fenway? Canal Street is a stone's throw from North Station,
and pretty nice from what I saw when I unsuccessfully tried to make
patio reservations awhile back.
Another "brew pub" in the area is John Harvard's in Harvard Square.
It's a but yuppity, but has
BBW fenway has to be on a Away game night, fair walk from Greenline Kenmore or
D-Fenway
.
BBW has a 2nd, west end location (old Commonwealth Brew) near the New Boston
Garden (avoid Celts/Bruins/Circus). Closest to North Stn Green/Orange, but
walkable from Red/CharlesMGH and Blue.
CBC is walka
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 11:27 -0400, Ronald J Kimball wrote:
> Okay, we'll go with next Tuesday, 8/21 for the social meeting.
>
> Now, for venue - I propose either Cambridge Brew Company (Kendall Square)
> or Boston Beer Works (Fenway). We've had successful social meetings at
> both places in the p
I definitely prefer CBC, but purely for my personal convenience.
I've never been to BBW, so I can't compare based on anything else.
> -Original Message-
> From:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
m.org] On Behalf Of Ronald J Kimball
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:27 A
The CBC is easier to get to, Fenway is a place that's easier to walk
to that commute but is still 3 miles away.
On 16/08/07, Ronald J Kimball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, we'll go with next Tuesday, 8/21 for the social meeting.
>
> Now, for venue - I propose either Cambridge Brew Company (Ke
Okay, we'll go with next Tuesday, 8/21 for the social meeting.
Now, for venue - I propose either Cambridge Brew Company (Kendall Square)
or Boston Beer Works (Fenway). We've had successful social meetings at
both places in the past. Under-21s are fine at either restaurant. What
are people's pre
> A good programmer's editor that can colorize syntax and autoindent and hop to
> matching or enclosing braces is half the battle. Most of us who "don't use
> ides" have that.
That's the thing about IDE's though, you want something quick,
functional, quick, pretty, quick and above all quick. All
Asking everyone who's used any perl ide to share could be a stone-soup meeting
sometime.
A good programmer's editor that can colorize syntax and autoindent and hop to
matching or enclosing braces is half the battle. Most of us who "don't use
ides" have that.
A graphical debugger front end *i
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