Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US

2002-12-02 Thread Russell Chapman
Dan Minette wrote: Well, that might or might not happen. What do you call near east, BTW? East Europe has a very low birth rate, so they won't bring a high birth rate with them. D'oh! I forgot - near east is different for Australians than other westerners... (and yet we still call the far east

Re: Scouted: Toyota, Honda deliver first hydrogen cars

2002-12-02 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/2/2002 10:06:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Imagine what one could do with a Traeki/Jophur and a mulch pile in the > back seat! :-) > Jon I'd prefer my dates to be a bit more human. William Taylor At 6' 1" there's no

Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US

2002-12-02 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Russell Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US > Dan Minette wrote: > > >The real risk in this is not that the US will fight Europe. Its that > >Europe will b

Scouted: Dumb Thief. Really Dumb.

2002-12-02 Thread Jon Gabriel
Well, the good news is he won't be reproducing in prison and dumbing down the human gene pool. Jon Thief Captured After Brief Phone Call Mon December 2, 2002 07:55 AM ET JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - A thief who tucked a stolen mobile phone into his underpants to hide it from the law was caught out

Scouted: Precursor to Helvetian War

2002-12-02 Thread Jon Gabriel
EU wants Swiss banks to drop secrecy - - - - - - - - - - - - By Jonathan Fowler Dec. 2, 2002  |  BERN, Switzerland (AP) -- Swiss banking secrecy, epitomized by the legendary numbered bank account, is under attack. Again. Leading the offensive are Britain and its European Union allies, who want th

Scouted: Toyota, Honda deliver first hydrogen cars

2002-12-02 Thread Jon Gabriel
Imagine what one could do with a Traeki/Jophur and a mulch pile in the back seat! :-) Jon Toyota, Honda deliver first hydrogen cars - - - - - - - - - - - - Dec. 2, 2002  |  IRVINE, Calif. (AP) -- Toyota and Honda on Monday delivered their first market ready zero-emission hydrogen-powered fuel ce

The Butlerian jihad

2002-12-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
I'm reading this currently. So far its much better than the "House" trilogy. xponent Harkonnen The Hero? Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US

2002-12-02 Thread William T Goodall
on 2/12/02 11:47 pm, Dan Minette at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I also see the demographics and related economics affecting the > relationship in three ways. > > First, as Europe population peaks and declines, its economic power will > also decline and it will become less important to the US. > >

Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US

2002-12-02 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Why did you use the future tense? What you predicted is exactly what happened in Serbia: namely the de-europeization of Kosovo. Alberto Monteiro Russell Chapman wrote: > >I think this ignores (and I think Kagan ignored it too) the infiltration >of Europe through its southern borders. Enormous nu

Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US

2002-12-02 Thread Russell Chapman
Dan Minette wrote: The real risk in this is not that the US will fight Europe. Its that Europe will become marginalized, and the US will operate without constraints or effective feedback. I think this ignores (and I think Kagan ignored it too) the infiltration of Europe through its southern b

Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US

2002-12-02 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:51:21PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > So, should I continue reading it, or leave it

Re: Dr. Brin's LPNC keynote speech

2002-12-02 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:35:13PM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: > Have you guys read Dr. Brin's keynote speech for the > Libertarian Party National Convention? He's published it here: > http://www.kithrup.com/brin/libertarianarticle1.html What do you think > of it? > > Not enough of a hint? Well

The Secret of How Microsoft Stays on Top

2002-12-02 Thread William T Goodall
From "by Sean Silverthorne, Editor, HBS Working Knowledge Critics say Microsoft's incredible two-decade run at the top of the computer industry has less to do with innovation than it does with bully tactics. But

Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US

2002-12-02 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:51:21PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > So, should I continue reading it, or leave it only having gotten about > 1/3 of the way through? (Or should I just take a break and come back to > it later, when I'm not quite so tired?) If you are expecting a strong conclusion or

Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US

2002-12-02 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:10PM +, William T Goodall wrote: > > on 2/12/02 4:57 pm, Gautam Mukunda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > http://denbeste.nu/external/Kagan01.html > > > > > 1) So Europe's lack of interest in developing military force, and the US's > > r

Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US

2002-12-02 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:10PM +, William T Goodall wrote: > on 2/12/02 4:57 pm, Gautam Mukunda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > http://denbeste.nu/external/Kagan01.html > > > 1) So Europe's lack of interest in developing military force, and the US's > role in defending Europe are a Good

Dr. Brin's LPNC keynote speech

2002-12-02 Thread Bryon Daly
I hesitate to introduce another political discussion onto this already polarized list, but at least this one's on topic (and hopefully hasn't already been beaten to death sometime in the past). Have you guys read Dr. Brin's keynote speech for the Libertarian Party National Convention? He's publis

Re: Robert Kagan on Europe and the US

2002-12-02 Thread William T Goodall
on 2/12/02 4:57 pm, Gautam Mukunda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://denbeste.nu/external/Kagan01.html > > A really, really fascinating article from _Policy > Review_. I think people will find it interesting. I > agree with Kagan almost entirely, save that I think he > underestimates the ext

RE: Tintin and Asterix [was: Domain Name BRIN-L.COM For Sale]

2002-12-02 Thread Ritu Ko
Marvin Long, Jr. wrote: > Remeber, if it's perpetrated against the hegemonist, colonialist, > capitalist pig-dog oppressors, it's not really violence. :-) Y'know, I have *always* wondered how many people wished to say that to Gandhi... Ritu ___

Robert Kagan on Europe and the US

2002-12-02 Thread Gautam Mukunda
http://denbeste.nu/external/Kagan01.html A really, really fascinating article from _Policy Review_. I think people will find it interesting. I agree with Kagan almost entirely, save that I think he underestimates the extent to which long-term demographic and economic trends will exacerbate the s

RE: Tintin and Asterix [was: Domain Name BRIN-L.COM For Sale]

2002-12-02 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Ritu Ko wrote: > Certainly. Those poor Romans must have found it all *very* violent. And > it was frequent enough for the boars to catch on Remeber, if it's perpetrated against the hegemonist, colonialist, capitalist pig-dog oppressors, it's not really violence. :-) >

Microsoft catches a chill when Windows wind down

2002-12-02 Thread William T Goodall
>From http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t479-s2126268,00.html By Rupert Goodwins "Microsoft knows just one way to make money, and the cost of dependency may be fatal in the end. It is one of the great pleasures in life that a man such as I, whose fiscal incompetence verges on the criminal, can

Scouted: What Makes Good Science Fiction?

2002-12-02 Thread Nick Arnett
Discussion on Slashdot: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/02/0324226&mode=thread&tid=99 -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Anybody got a cached copy of the contents of Brin-l.com?

2002-12-02 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:11 01-12-2002 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: If you happen to have copies of the material formerly appearing on Brin-L.com, and would be willing to make them available, please let me know *off-list*. I'm not interested in anything in which JVB has copyright, only the rest. Don't bother. The o

Re: [LINK] E-mail Etiquette

2002-12-02 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 14:36 29-11-2002 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: How about, "Moderation is appropriate when the above are violated repeatedly"? (This would let one-time offenders off the hook with a warning, and only punish chronic abusers.) I think you first need to establish a set of rules. A few questions to

RE: Domain Name BRIN-L.COM For Sale

2002-12-02 Thread Horn, John
> From: Richard Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]> > Unfortunately, a quick look at Amazon.co.uk shows that there > are a vast > number of Dr Seuss books in print in the UK. For some reason, they > don't seem to be very popular here. It's strange what's popular in different places. Over here, y

RE: Domain Name BRIN-L.COM For Sale

2002-12-02 Thread Horn, John
> From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Can he say it in a house? Can he say it with a mouse? - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: Tintin and Asterix [was: Domain Name BRIN-L.COM For Sale]

2002-12-02 Thread Ritu Ko
Russell Chapman wrote: > >Tintin and Asterix... Read them too. I even tried to > >hook my daughters into reading them, but maybe > >they were too young. Or maybe there's not enough > >sex and violence to make them interesting > > > You'd only need one obelisk dropped on you to think the viol

Re: Tintin and Asterix [was: Domain Name BRIN-L.COM For Sale]

2002-12-02 Thread Russell Chapman
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Tintin and Asterix... Read them too. I even tried to hook my daughters into reading them, but maybe they were too young. Or maybe there's not enough sex and violence to make them interesting You'd only need one obelisk dropped on you to think the violence was excessi

Tintin and Asterix [was: Domain Name BRIN-L.COM For Sale]

2002-12-02 Thread Alberto Monteiro
William T Goodall wrote: > > I read a few as a child. And most of the Tintin books. > And Asterix. And books without pictures too! > Tintin and Asterix... Read them too. I even tried to hook my daughters into reading them, but maybe they were too young. Or maybe there's not enough sex and