Re: Social Security

On Saturday 2005-01-08 15:57, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:21:37PM -0600, Gary Denton wrote: > > Yes, they have (I saw your correction). The budget deficit urgently > needs to be fixed. So does SS. So does Medicare/medicaid. Let's get to > work. Bush won the election, so he gets

Re: Idiocy of universal retirement

Correct me if I'm wrong Trent, but isn't the whole point of modern society, technology, science, and liberal democracy to reduce the amount of physical misery, mental anguish and sheer drudgery/work a person has to go through (as opposed to points such as 'for the further glorification of god'

Re: E-mail program questions

On Jan 8, 2005, at 12:20 PM, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:04:48PM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote: So you felt that resorting to rudeness was the most proper response? You think stating a fact ("please pay attention if you want me to reply to your questions") is rude. No; I think it's

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:16:41PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > If everyone really meant "fully customizable" when they said it, it > wouldn't be an issue. Unfortunately, over 50% of the people using > it don't *really* mean it, and it may be over 90%. It's become a > buzzword (buzzphrase?) th

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:07:02AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > Is there any way to change the look of Mutt? > > Of course, didn't you to the link I gave? Mutt is fully customizable, as > I said. > > > Your screenshot looks like it was designed

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:41:17AM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote: > > > The mutt site is really more a vast collection of links, and I'm more > > likely to align with Robert here -- if you're recommending the product > > ostensibly you know something abou

Re: Julia The Troublemaker was...RE: E-mail program questions

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 09:56:29PM -0500, Gary Nunn wrote: > > > > Or am I about to *really* start an argument with that statement? :) > > > > It's the same old argument: Great Taste or Less Filling? > > Are you trying to start a real flamewar about can

RE: Julia The Troublemaker was...RE: E-mail program questions

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Gary Nunn wrote: > > Circus Peanuts? I prefer Peeps, myself. > > > > Or am I about to *really* start an argument with that statement? :) > > It's the same old argument: Great Taste or Less Filling? > > Actually, I have to agree with you on this, had I had access to peeps

RE: Julia The Troublemaker was...RE: E-mail program questions

> > Erik, sometimes you surprise me by allowing that well > hidden sense of > > humor of yours to peek out :-) > > Gary, now there is no need to be rude... [hanging my head] your right, forgive me... It is the sugar high making me crazy tonight :-) __

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:23:32PM -0500, maru wrote: > Now that's interesting: I use 'sudo' meself. A curious bug in > puTTY. Another thing: wouldn't your prompt change automatically, from > [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] On my system, the prompt is set automatically whenever a person

Re: E-mail program questions

Now that's interesting: I use 'sudo' meself. A curious bug in puTTY. Another thing: wouldn't your prompt change automatically, from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] But I take it from your last section that you are actually getting all your email from /var/mail/, right, since if you were u

Re: Julia The Troublemaker was...RE: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:08:38PM -0500, Gary Nunn wrote: > Erik, sometimes you surprise me by allowing that well hidden sense of > humor of yours to peek out :-) Gary, now there is no need to be rude... -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ _

RE: Julia The Troublemaker was...RE: E-mail program questions

Julia wrote... > > > Or am I about to *really* start an argument with that > statement? :) I wrote > > It's the same old argument: Great Taste or Less Filling? Erik wrote > Are you trying to start a real flamewar about candy? Erik, sometimes you surprise me by allowing that well hid

Re: Julia The Troublemaker was...RE: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 09:56:29PM -0500, Gary Nunn wrote: > > Or am I about to *really* start an argument with that statement? :) > > It's the same old argument: Great Taste or Less Filling? Are you trying to start a real flamewar about candy? -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ _

RE: Julia The Troublemaker was...RE: E-mail program questions

> I was waiting for someone to point out just who had stirred > up the hornet's nest. ;) I guess that we can add "Email Clients" to the "sensitive topics" list right up there with abortion, gay marriage, politics, gun control and comparisons of list members to Hitler. > Circus Peanuts? I pr

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:07:02AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > Thunderbird does a similar act with threading and it seems to work > pretty good. Is there any way to change the look of Mutt? I was curious how threading compared on mutt, Thunderbird, and mail.app. A google turned up this post:

Re: Julia The Troublemaker was...RE: E-mail program questions

I was waiting for someone to point out just who had stirred up the hornet's nest. ;) On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Gary Nunn wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>All of the rude, sarcastic and abrasive comments snipped for reasons of > sanity. > > > Julia, your such a troublemaker What the hell were you

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 06:45:44PM -0500, maru wrote: > But more importantly, were you running mutt as root, you naughty > person? To elaborate, PuTTy changes the window title to root whenever it detects an "su", but it does not change the window title back when the su is exited. Not a big deal s

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, maru wrote: > ~Maru > Unsolicited security advice is the best kind! Depends on the form it takes. :) Hacking into someone's system without permission and then pointing out the problem to them isn't terribly good. Noting a possible problem without hacking and pointing it

Julia The Troublemaker was...RE: E-mail program questions

> > > > >>>All of the rude, sarcastic and abrasive comments snipped for reasons of sanity. Julia, your such a troublemaker What the hell were you thinking when you posted such an inflammatory and provocative question like "what email program should I use?" Although, I must admit that Rob'

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 06:45:44PM -0500, maru wrote: > But more importantly, were you running mutt as root, you naughty > person? No, that is a bug in PuTTy. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/br

Re: E-mail program questions

Erik Reuter wrote: http://erikreuter.net/erik/misc/mutt2.html By the way, here is a screenshot showing another trick the mutt can do. Colorizing each level of quotes in a message. Of course it only works if other emailers don't mangle the quotes... No doubt it will make Rob's eyes hurt, but it help

Re: Pozen's SS plan Re: Social Security

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:25:39PM -0600, Gary Denton wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 06:32:24 -0500, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 05:24:30AM -0600, Gary Denton wrote: > > > > > BTW, this proposal affects workers under 55. Erik's and other's > > > comments th

Re: Social Security

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:21:37PM -0600, Gary Denton wrote: > Accountants have denounced the infinite years PV method. Do you have a cite of a mainstream accountant writing that present value accounting for infinite money streams is a "big lie" or totally meaningless? Respected economists have

Re: Pozen's SS plan Re: Social Security

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 06:32:24 -0500, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 05:24:30AM -0600, Gary Denton wrote: > > > BTW, this proposal affects workers under 55. Erik's and other's > > comments that no one who has contributed to SS will be effected is > > total BS as eve

Re: Social Security

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:21:37 -0600, Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 06:47:38 -0500, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 05:03:55AM -0600, Gary Denton wrote: > > > > By the way, the "infinite years" thing is perfectly reasonable. If > > we do

Re: Social Security

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 06:47:38 -0500, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 05:03:55AM -0600, Gary Denton wrote: > > By the way, the "infinite years" thing is perfectly reasonable. If > we don't make plans to change the system, then the most reasonable > assumption is that

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 03:52:54PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > Mutt looks good and I would try it if I could find a Win port of it, > but I didn't see anything to that regard on the page you linked to. http://cygwin.com/ I haven't tried it, but you should be able to run mutt under Cygwin. (

Re: Wildcard NFL Picks

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, John D. Giorgis wrote: > At 11:47 AM 1/8/2005 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: > >Hey, whaddya know, I like all the same ones John likes! :) > > Let's have a nice, civilized 4-0 week then. ;-) That would be nice. 3-1, while a little more disappointing, would still be bearabl

Re: E-mail program questions

Erik Reuter wrote: > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 03:17:29PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > >> - Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" >> >>> On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 03:04:50PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: >>> From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 0

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:25:29PM -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: > And to get back on subject, your email reply had serious problems. It > really mangled the quote lines. It took me longer to fix that then to > type the reply. http://erikreuter.net/erik/misc/mutt2.html By the way, here is a screensh

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 03:17:29PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > - Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" > > > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 03:04:50PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > > > From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 02:44:06PM -0600, Rob

Re: E-mail program questions

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: Re: E-mail program questions > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 03:04:50PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Erik

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 03:04:50PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: E-mail program questions > > > > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 02:44:06PM

Re: E-mail program questions

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: Re: E-mail program questions > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 02:44:06PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > - Original Message - From: "Erik Reute

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 02:44:06PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > - Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" > > > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:04:48PM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote: > > > > > > > Did you get beaten up a lot in school or something? > > > > Did you have trouble with girls in s

Re: E-mail program questions

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: Re: E-mail program questions > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:04:48PM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote: > > > > Did you get beaten up a lot in school or some

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 08:26:47PM +, Richard Baker wrote: > Erik said: > > > You think stating a fact ("please pay attention if you want me to > > reply to your questions") is rude. > > I think the quoted text is not, strictly speaking, a fact. You are, of course, correct. The phrasing was,

Re: E-mail program questions

Erik said: > You think stating a fact ("please pay attention if you want me to > reply to your questions") is rude. I think the quoted text is not, strictly speaking, a fact. > I think not paying attention but still expecting people to provide > helpful responses is not particularly astute. Espe

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:04:48PM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote: > Well it would seem, based on the nature of your comments here, that > you are on the wrong list. Perhaps, since you and Gary started posting. But that is easily solved with a kill file if it gets to be a problem. -- Erik Reuter

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:04:48PM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote: > So you felt that resorting to rudeness was the most proper response? You think stating a fact ("please pay attention if you want me to reply to your questions") is rude. You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is silly. But d

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:40:55AM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote: > Perhaps there's another way to convince him. What's the system load > mutt imposes? My Mail.app is currently using 42 MB actual, 130 MB > virtual memory, which is a hell of a lot for email. Below is the output of top while mutt is

Re: E-mail program questions

On Jan 8, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:41:17AM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote: The mutt site is really more a vast collection of links, and I'm more likely to align with Robert here -- if you're recommending the product ostensibly you know something about it, and i

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:41:17AM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote: > The mutt site is really more a vast collection of links, and I'm more > likely to align with Robert here -- if you're recommending the product > ostensibly you know something about it, and it might be much more > sensible to ask a

Re: E-mail program questions

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: Re: E-mail program questions > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:48:19AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > Certainly, but you know how it is.lot

Re: Wildcard NFL Picks

At 11:47 AM 1/8/2005 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >Hey, whaddya know, I like all the same ones John likes! :) Let's have a nice, civilized 4-0 week then. ;-) JDG John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] "We have one cou

Re: E-mail program questions

On Jan 8, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:48:19AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: Certainly, but you know how it is.lots of programs use the term "fully customizable" when they actually aren't. It never hurts to If you really did go to the mutt webpage link I

Degrading Pig Ahhhhh......Stimulation

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Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:48:19AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > Certainly, but you know how it is.lots of programs use the > term "fully customizable" when they actually aren't. It never hurts to If you really did go to the mutt webpage link I provided, you would have been able to rea

Re: E-mail program questions

- Original Message - From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: Re: E-mail program questions > Methinks Robert was expecting something other than a text-only console > window. ;) > NawI knew what I was s

Re: E-mail program questions

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: Re: E-mail program questions > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:07:02AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > Is there any way to change the look of Mutt?

Re: Wildcard NFL Picks

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, John D. Giorgis wrote: > On to this weeks games: > > St. Louis at Seattle - Pick: RAMS UPSET SPECIAL Toughie - not sure which I prefer. I think I'll go with the Rams, various people I like have been picking them. :) > NY Jets at San Diego - Pick: CHARGERS Chargers as

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Gary Denton wrote: > I have used Netscape, Microsoft Outlook, and Outlook Express. I think > I briefly tried Eudora. I liked Netscape the best and Outlook was > fine for work but I didn't like for home. I have used Outlook Express > for home for years but am increasingly d

Re: E-mail program questions

On Jan 8, 2005, at 9:10 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 07:12:58AM -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:34:05PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: What is your favorite e-mail program? The Mutt E-Mail Client http://www.mutt.org/ By the way, if you want to see how mutt's nif

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:07:02AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: > Is there any way to change the look of Mutt? Of course, didn't you to the link I gave? Mutt is fully customizable, as I said. > Your screenshot looks like it was designed for an Atari 2600 at worst > or a 286 at best. Ugly as si

Re: E-mail program questions

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: Re: E-mail program questions > On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 07:12:58AM -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:34:05PM -0600, Julia Thom

Re: E-mail program questions

On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 07:12:58AM -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:34:05PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > What is your favorite e-mail program? > > The Mutt E-Mail Client > http://www.mutt.org/ By the way, if you want to see how mutt's nifty threading feature looks on Bri

Re: E-mail program questions

Warren Ockrassa wrote: Netscape Communicator has a very nice thread manager for discussion groups (!) and integrates more or less seamlessly with Navigator. (Freeware.) That's close to the one I'd recommend, Mozilla Thunderbird. It's free, and has a Bayesian spam filter. It also works like the old

Wildcard NFL Picks

Last week, I managed a disappointing 6-10 among the slate of meaningless games to finish 149-107 on the season. But now the playoffs are here, and everyone is 0-0 again!Right? rght... Anyhow, despite a mediocre effort in the week-by-week picks, my pre-season predictions were not too b

Re: Social Security

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 05:03:55AM -0600, Gary Denton wrote: > talking point lies it will remain almost unchanged. (Latest > unchalleged lie - a meaningless $10.4 billion SS deficit, based on SS > current system last for infinite years. No, $10.4B is wrong by 3 orders of magnitude. And you sound

Re: Social Security

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 05:03:55AM -0600, Gary Denton wrote: > Not quite, as the numbers about balance now as long as the government > commits to making good on the bonds it ihas issued and will continue > to issue. About add up? If you call a $10,000,000,000,000 present value deficit "negligible

Re: Kling's 4 Myths about Social Security

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 05:27:17AM -0600, Gary Denton wrote: > I see tech central has a new pr contract. Maybe someone should check > if this like Leave No Child Behind is from my taxpayer dollars? I see Gary continues to post sound bites and glib phrases without any critical thought or serious

Re: Pozen's SS plan Re: Social Security

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 05:24:30AM -0600, Gary Denton wrote: > BTW, this proposal affects workers under 55. Erik's and other's > comments that no one who has contributed to SS will be effected is > total BS as even the briefest look at the numbers or or logic shows. I was referring to the plans

Re: Kling's 4 Myths about Social Security

I see tech central has a new pr contract. Maybe someone should check if this like Leave No Child Behind is from my taxpayer dollars? Gary D On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:36:23 -0500, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.techcentralstation.com/102704D.html > > Abstract: > > The transitio

Re: Pozen's SS plan Re: Social Security

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:59:12 -0600 (CST), Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Erik Reuter wrote: > > > The route to real pensions reform > > Jan 6th 2005 > > >From The Economist print edition > > > > http://www.economist.com/finance/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=353

Re: Social Security

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:07:39 -0500, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I figure that I owe it to everyone here to briefly be as clear as possible > about what I mean in regards to Social Security: > > Social Security is not an investment program. Social Security revenues > fund current expenditure

Re: Scouted: The Reality of Red-State Fascism

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:17:13 -0600, The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <> > > The Reality of Red-State Fascism > by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. > I have been noticing that what I consider true conservatives and real libertarians are mo

Re: E-mail program questions

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 03:47:14 -0600, Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have used Netscape, Microsoft Outlook, and Outlook Express. I think > I briefly tried Eudora. I liked Netscape the best and Outlook was > fine for work but I didn't like for home. I have used Outlook Express > for home

Re: E-mail program questions

I have used Netscape, Microsoft Outlook, and Outlook Express. I think I briefly tried Eudora. I liked Netscape the best and Outlook was fine for work but I didn't like for home. I have used Outlook Express for home for years but am increasingly dissatisfied, I like to save emails. I am now tryin