Re: Political Futurists and Radical and Utopian SF writers

2005-05-08 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:20 AM Saturday 5/7/2005, Gary Denton wrote: Brin is listed - Heinlein isn't. http://www.changesurfer.com/Acad/Authors.html They should take another look at We the Living, Time Enough for Love, Moon is a Harsh Misstress, etc. This was a guess before I went to the above link, but perusing the

Re: Political Futurists and Radical and Utopian SF writers

2005-05-08 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 01:41 PM Saturday 5/7/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: I generally think of him as JARCHAL, which pretty much defines the majority of very vocal Libertarians that I have known. JARCHAL? Can you expand? I thought it obviousG It

Re: Fwd: Whale-Dolphin Hybrid Has Baby 'Wholphin'

2005-05-08 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:24 PM Saturday 5/7/2005, Steve Sloan wrote: HONOLULU (AP) _ The only whale-dolphin mix in captivity has given birth to a playful female calf, officials at Sea Life Park Hawaii said Thursday. The calf was born on Dec. 23 to Kekaimalu, a mix of a false killer whale and an Atlantic bottlenose

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-05-08 Thread William T Goodall
On 14 Apr 2005, at 3:08 am, Dan Minette wrote: Well, some people do that, but I always lower my respect a notch for folks who will not accept that they are sometimes wrongunless they are Feynman and the subject is physics. Lord knows I argue tooth and nail. But, I work at precision in my

Re: Paedophiles turning Christian

2005-05-08 Thread William T Goodall
On 7 May 2005, at 11:45 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On May 7, 2005, at 2:48 AM, William T Goodall wrote: http://tinyurl.com/7lsm2 Children are at growing risk from paedophiles who convert to Christianity in prison and join a church on their release, a government-backed charity said yesterday.

God? Sure, whatever

2005-05-08 Thread William T Goodall
http://tinyurl.com/7feyb A new book says that 80 percent of American teens believe in God -- but their God is a buddy who props up their self-esteem, and many don't even know who Jesus was. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Carlene Bauer April 29, 2005 | Between the real-life stories of lonely

Re: Permission Slips Re: blah, blah, blah . . .

2005-05-08 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Robert J. Chassell wrote: As far as I can see, in periods during which nothing much changed during a generation, many could survive by accepting what they were told. On 6 May 2005, Julia Thompson asked How often did things change significantly over the course of a

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Erik Reuter's numbers and conclusions are very interesting. I had not realized how many different variables showed the difference. (Pretty obviously, the variables only measure certain things. In his book, `The Shadow of the Sun', Ryszard Kapuciski speaks of a categorical measure: For the

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Erik Reuter
* Robert J. Chassell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I see * Public investment in public infrastructure such as bridges and research labs whose results, if any, become public. * Public investment in certain kinds of private infrastructure, such as higher education for individuals.

Re: A very good NYT article on intelligent design

2005-05-08 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 5/2/2005 7:46:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A goof point Warren, but you forget that genes aren't the *only* unit of inheritance- culture is also inherited. Sawyer could have just as well postulated a race of hominids, humanoid pre-cursors, which

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Gary Denton
On 5/8/05, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Robert J. Chassell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I see * Public investment in public infrastructure such as bridges and research labs whose results, if any, become public. * Public investment in certain kinds of private

Re: Political Futurists and Radical and Utopian SF writers

2005-05-08 Thread Gary Denton
I had the just another right. On 5/8/05, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:41 PM Saturday 5/7/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: I generally think of him as JARCHAL, which pretty much defines the majority

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-05-08 Thread Gary Denton
On 4/7/05, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote --- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that Warren been trying to prevent democracy in Iraq?

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-05-08 Thread Gary Denton
On 4/6/05, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bottom line, you denegate rich white liberals for no particular reason other than to create your usual demons. Bob, what is it about you that makes you _unable_ to credit people who disagree with you

Re: Paedophiles turning Christian

2005-05-08 Thread Gary Denton
On 5/8/05, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7 May 2005, at 11:45 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On May 7, 2005, at 2:48 AM, William T Goodall wrote: http://tinyurl.com/7lsm2 Children are at growing risk from paedophiles who convert to Christianity in prison and join a

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-05-08 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sun, 8 May 2005 10:46:57 -0500, Gary Denton wrote In the days that have passed since we all talked about our options with regard to Iraq, I realized that I left out one of the most important ones. And since Gary brought it up again, I'll take this opportunity. The idea that we must restrict

Honoring soldiers on Mothers Day

2005-05-08 Thread Nick Arnett
I just read a bit about people honoring soldiers today because it is Mothers' Day. How about if we honor them by not cutting the VA budget by $2.4 billion? How about if we honor them by not putting them into battle shorthanded with an unclear mission? How about honoring them by keeping our

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Erik Reuter
* Gary Denton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There are a number of economists who point out that insurance investments - military, police, insurance itself, have very low economic value compared to public improvements. Above a certain basic level of protection more money doesn't create or defend

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 8, 2005, at 10:10 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: * Gary Denton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There are a number of economists who point out that insurance investments - military, police, insurance itself, have very low economic value compared to public improvements. Above a certain basic level of

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Erik Reuter
And then, of course, we have Warren, who apparently values political correctness, false politeness, and his own emotions over anything real and useful like knowledge, clear thinking, or taking time to learn about a subject before spouting an opinion on it. One of the few Brin-L posters with a

Re: Paedophiles turning Christian

2005-05-08 Thread William T Goodall
On 8 May 2005, at 5:10 pm, Gary Denton wrote: On 5/8/05, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With only 21% of Britons in general regularly attending religious services but 75% of convicted child abusers doing so the heightened risk to children exposed to religious activities is obvious.

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:10 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Erik Reuter wrote: Gary likes to pretend that he knows what he is talking about. But he has repeatedly made postings lie this that show he doesn't have any real understanding -- apparently he just likes to string together terms that he has seen or heard somewhere, like

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 8, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: And then, of course, we have Warren, who apparently values political correctness, false politeness, and his own emotions over anything real and useful like knowledge, clear thinking, or taking time to learn about a subject before spouting an opinion

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Erik Reuter
* Ronn!Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sometimes I suspect the existence of an Eliza-like program called Don Rickles which generates a random selection of insults in response to any post that almost sound as if they are coming from a human being . . . Maybe the same-tired-old-jokes

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 01:21 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Erik Reuter wrote: * Ronn!Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sometimes I suspect the existence of an Eliza-like program called Don Rickles which generates a random selection of insults in response to any post that almost sound as if they are coming from a human

Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church

2005-05-08 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20050507/ap_on_re_us/church_politics_4 Some in Pastor Chan Chandler's flock wish he had a little less zeal for the GOP. Members of the small East Waynesville Baptist Church say Chandler led an effort to kick out congregants who didn't support

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Ronn Blankenship wrote: Sometimes I suspect the existence of an Eliza-like program called Don Rickles which generates a random selection of insults in response to any post that almost sound as if they are coming from a human being . . . Good idea! Create a program that responds to a message

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:36 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ronn Blankenship wrote: Sometimes I suspect the existence of an Eliza-like program called Don Rickles which generates a random selection of insults in response to any post that almost sound as if they are coming from a human being . . .

Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church

2005-05-08 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sun, 8 May 2005 14:18:22 -0500, Robert G. Seeberger wrote http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20050507/ap_on_re_us/church_politics_4 Some in Pastor Chan Chandler's flock wish he had a little less zeal for the GOP. Members of the small East Waynesville Baptist Church say Chandler

Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church

2005-05-08 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:44 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: Both of these -- politics and religion -- like nations, are inventions of human beings, I believe. So you don't believe there's a God? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Hmmm ... runs Eliza ... lines from Ronn!Blankenship and Erik Reuter ... Here is the result: Sometimes I suspect the existence of an Eliza-like program called Don Rickles which generates a random selection of insults ... Eliza: Why do you say that? ... lower the S/N of this thread even

Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church

2005-05-08 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 8, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 03:44 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: Both of these -- politics and religion -- like nations, are inventions of human beings, I believe. So you don't believe there's a God? That doesn't necessarily follow. Religion might be a bit like

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:22 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Robert J. Chassell wrote: Hmmm ... runs Eliza ... lines from Ronn!Blankenship and Erik Reuter ... Here is the result: Sometimes I suspect the existence of an Eliza-like program called Don Rickles which generates a random selection of insults ... Eliza: Why do you

Re: Earth has developed a slight eccentricity in its orbit...

2005-05-08 Thread Russell Chapman
Robert Seeberger wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: That doesn't change my opinion of the movie. It was bad. Bad, bad, bad. Still have not seen it myself. But you are the only person I've run across so far who dislikes it greatly. Oh, bad doesn't begin to describe it. I'm a fan of all

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Erik Reuter
* Ronn!Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 04:22 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Robert J. Chassell wrote: Eliza: Is it because of your life that you are going through all this? [NameWithheld]: It is because you are afflicted by the virus of religion that you say that. Is it because of your

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:53 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Erik Reuter wrote: * Ronn!Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 04:22 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Robert J. Chassell wrote: Eliza: Is it because of your life that you are going through all this? [NameWithheld]: It is because you are afflicted by the virus of religion

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Erik Reuter
* Ronn!Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 06:53 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Erik Reuter wrote: * Ronn!Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 04:22 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Robert J. Chassell wrote: Eliza: Is it because of your life that you are going through all this? [NameWithheld]: It is

Re: Earth has developed a slight eccentricity in its orbit...

2005-05-08 Thread William T Goodall
On 9 May 2005, at 12:31 am, Russell Chapman wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: That doesn't change my opinion of the movie. It was bad. Bad, bad, bad. Still have not seen it myself. But you are the only person I've run across so far who dislikes it greatly. Oh, bad

Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical

2005-05-08 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Robert J. Chassell wrote: Hmmm ... runs Eliza ... lines from Ronn!Blankenship and Erik Reuter ... Long time ago, I wrote an Eliza-like program, but it was _much_ more agressive and politically incorrect. Here is the result: Sometimes I suspect the existence of an Eliza-like program

Re: Earth has developed a slight eccentricity in its orbit...

2005-05-08 Thread Maru Dubshinki
On 5/8/05, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had low expectations, but it was worse than I imagined. I think I'll save myself £5 and not bother seeing this then. What else is coming out in May... The Jacket Ong Bak Palindromes. And Sin City in June! -- William T

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-05-08 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can get a cup of DDT from an environmental laboratory near here - wanna drink? Want to feed it to the neighborhood birds? Noisy critters anyway. That whole Mother Nature stuff is just so gay. -- Gary Denton And that whole knowing even a tiny

Re: Earth has developed a slight eccentricity in its orbit...

2005-05-08 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Maru Dubshinki wrote: Speaking as someone who has seen it already (and was not a fanboy prior to seeing it), Sin City is most definitely worth watching, riveting and intense, as long as you are prepared for the violence and etc. Jessica Alba as a stripper? Does she strip or not? Alberto

Re: Earth has developed a slight eccentricity in its orbit...

2005-05-08 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 5/8/2005 8:55:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking as someone who has seen it already (and was not a fanboy prior to seeing it), Sin City is most definitely worth watching, riveting and intense, as long as you are prepared for the violence and

Re: Earth has developed a slight eccentricity in its orbit...

2005-05-08 Thread Maru Dubshinki
On 5/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2005 8:55:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking as someone who has seen it already (and was not a fanboy prior to seeing it), Sin City is most definitely worth watching, riveting and

Re: A very good NYT article on intelligent design

2005-05-08 Thread Maru Dubshinki
On 5/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/2/2005 7:46:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A goof point Warren, but you forget that genes aren't the *only* unit of inheritance- culture is also inherited. Sawyer could have just as well

Re: A very good NYT article on intelligent design

2005-05-08 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 8, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: I'm afraid I don't see your post's relevance- I suggested that counsciousness coulda been a random event, which would enable itself to be culturally passed down (and really enabling cultural inheritance in the first place, instead of depending on

Re: Earth has developed a slight eccentricity in its orbit...

2005-05-08 Thread Bryon Daly
On 5/8/05, Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: That doesn't change my opinion of the movie. It was bad. Bad, bad, bad. Still have not seen it myself. But you are the only person I've run across so far who dislikes it greatly.