Gary Denton:
My big Eliza program inadvertantly somehow has triggered others?
Eliza:
Eliza? Hah! I would appreciate it if you would continue.
(Actually, in GNU Emacs, the Eliza program is called `doctor' and the
source says
;; The single entry point `doctor', simulates a Rogeri
At 07:36 PM Tuesday 5/10/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
> On Tue, 10 May 2005 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> > You can be
At 09:21 PM Tuesday 5/10/2005, Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
Does this Mean I'm A Scumbag? Maru
Some would say that your gender makes the answer a foregone conclusion . . .
-- Ronn! :)
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At 11:19 PM Tuesday 5/10/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 10, 2005, at 7:33 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On the topic of the US being stretched out in Iraq, my 8-year-old son
was brought to tears last night by the list of items being requested by
soldiers through www.operationshoebox.com -- his school i
At 09:33 PM Tuesday 5/10/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 10, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Andrew Paul wrote:
'As others have pointed out, he _is_ calling for action WRT Darfur, which
is laudable. From what I've learned, it is not possible for the US
alone to intervene there militarily, as our forces are stretc
At 04:43 PM 5/10/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
>And myriad possibilities in between, as well as assistance to NGOs, economic
>intervention by businesses and much more. Reducing such issues to either-or
>choices doesn't feed hungry people.
The choice is between taking direct action to help pe
JDG wrote
.
>>> Yeah, but his argument didn't make any sense, because
>>> it was just a wholesale abrogation of moral judgment
>>> to other people - people who have an interest in
>>> acting in an immoral fashion. All of the arguments
>>> you and he make _completely ignore_ that fact. We
>>> hav
On May 10, 2005, at 8:57 PM, JDG wrote:
At 04:43 PM 5/10/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
And myriad possibilities in between, as well as assistance to NGOs,
economic
intervention by businesses and much more. Reducing such issues to
either-or
choices doesn't feed hungry people.
The choice is betwe
On Wed, 11 May 2005 04:47:48 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote
> How much was right about it before GW2? Is the "average" Iraqi
> better off or worse off now than then? Or, for another measure, is
> the number of Iraqi people who are better off without SH in charge
> greater than the number who w
At 09:31 AM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 10, 2005, at 8:57 PM, JDG wrote:
At 04:43 PM 5/10/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
And myriad possibilities in between, as well as assistance to NGOs, economic
intervention by businesses and much more. Reducing such issues to either-or
choices
On May 11, 2005, at 7:56 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:31 AM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On May 10, 2005, at 8:57 PM, JDG wrote:
At 04:43 PM 5/10/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
And myriad possibilities in between, as well as assistance to NGOs,
economic
intervention by businesses and
Dave Land wrote:
>
>> You mean "United States of Brazil"??? This is not the country's name.
>> We are the "Republica Federativa do Brasil" or "Federated Republic of
>> Brazil"
>
> Thanks, Alberto. /Was/ that ever its name? Wherever did I get that
> crazy idea, I wonder.
>
I thought that we had that
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
>
> That's because Brazil is comfortable with its sexuality, of course.
>
:-)
It's true that we are more liberal wrt sexuality than other parts of the
world, but this is not yet a sexual paradise as some people would like
to think it is. There is some gay bashing, an
On May 11, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
The boy scouts were never a strong influence here. OTOH, the current
teen fashion is that girls simulate being each other's lesbian
girlfriends
[walking with arms around each other, kissing in the mouth, hugging
their brea
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2005 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT), Gautam
> Mukunda wrote
>
> > Yeah, but his argument didn't make any sense,
> because
> > it was just a wholesale abrogation of moral
> judgment
> > to other people - people who have an interest in
> > acting in
--- Andrew Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gautam, why is it that only other countries have
> self-interested
> agendas?
> Is it possible that now and then, America does too?
> I think it is, and
> that's why I think it is worthwhile getting a second
> opinion.
No, the question is the exact oppo
--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sometimes I am so envious of conservatives' ability
> to reduce everything
> to black-and-white. Those damned shades of gray that
> I have to deal with
> as a progressive are such a pain in the ass.
>
> Dave
Sometimes I'm envious of progressives abililty
--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have never presumed to propose any specific
> action.
>
> I merely questioned the certainty of my listmate's
> assertion that
> "the choice" is between presumably successful direct
> action and
> presumably unsuccessful indirect action.
>
> Dave
Ah, t
On 5/11/05, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At 11:19 PM Tuesday 5/10/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
> >On May 10, 2005, at 7:33 PM, Dave Land wrote:
>
> >Oh, "history" will tell -- big f*cking deal. How does the interpretation
> >of someone living 100 years form now matter to the pr
On Wed, 11 May 2005 09:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> Ah, the _perfect_ leftist stance. I have no idea what
> to do, but I know that you're wrong, so that makes me
> better than you,
Are you sure that those who criticize your ideas only care about feeling
"superior," not about other
At 12:07 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2005 09:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> Ah, the _perfect_ leftist stance. I have no idea what
> to do, but I know that you're wrong, so that makes me
> better than you,
Are you sure that those who criticize your ideas onl
The Bush administration periodically put the USA on high alert for terrorist
attacks even though then-Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge argued there was
only flimsy evidence to justify raising the threat level, Ridge now says.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/ridgerevealsclashesonalerts;_y
Molly Ivins has a good summary for the pre-war UK memo for those who are
joining late.
*They lied to us*
*Memo proves leadership knew Saddam was not a threat
* AUSTIN, Texas -- Meanwhile, back in Iraq. I was going to leave out of this
column everything about how we got into Iraq, or whether it
- Original Message -
From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: Br!n: Re: more neocons
>Maybe you think removing Saddam isn't
> worth the cost. But you can't say that opposing the
> invasion wasn't function
As Steve said,
"The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six
years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set
up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established
a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat
technologies, and even casts of
On May 11, 2005, at 2:47 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
How much was right about it before GW2? Is the "average" Iraqi better
off or worse off now than then? Or, for another measure, is the
number of Iraqi people who are better off without SH in charge greater
than the number who were better off
On May 11, 2005, at 7:56 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
Our leaders may have had noble intentions, but there's more to bringing
freedom and peace than knowing how to destroy.
Noble intentions are nullified by arrogance. Until we start seeing some
genuine humility -- starting from the top down -- we won't
On May 11, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
[to Nick]
Suggest something.
Why should he? After several paragraphs of nearly ceaseless ad hominem
attacks, why should ANYONE attempt to carry on a rational discussion
with you?
Gautam, there's a big difference between being passionate about
s
On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I just wonder what can be done to solve the plight of those millions
of human beings, and so far haven't heard much in the way of
suggestions on how to save them, or an argument that the status quo is
somehow the best of all possible scenario
On 5/11/05, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
>
> > I just wonder what can be done to solve the plight of those millions
> > of human beings, and so far haven't heard much in the way of
> > suggestions on how to save them, or an argu
-- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you sure that those who criticize your ideas
> only care about feeling
> "superior," not about other people, the millions of
> human beings caught in
> oppression, violence and poverty? Do you feel
> inferior?
>
> Nick
Not really, no. "Those who
On May 11, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
On 5/11/05, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So why, given the above, was Afghanistan not democratized and
stabilized entirely? With a good solid pro-US government there,
couldn't pressure have been mounted on other nations to force
ter
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Maybe you think removing Saddam isn't
> > worth the cost. But you can't say that opposing
> the
> > invasion wasn't functionally a stand in favor of
> > Saddam remaining in power, _because it was_.
>
> I think that overstates the case a bit. I'll agr
On May 11, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe you think removing Saddam isn't
worth the cost. But you can't say that opposing
the
invasion wasn't functionally a stand in favor of
Saddam remaining in power, _because it was_.
I think that oversta
At 02:36 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
On 5/11/05, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
>
> > I just wonder what can be done to solve the plight of those millions
> > of human beings, and so far haven't heard much in the
On May 11, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I'm not sure I saw an answer to my question in there . . .
Not from me; I was lobbing a tangent.
--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
http://books.nightwares.com/
Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror"
http://www.night
At 03:45 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 11, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe you think removing Saddam isn't
worth the cost. But you can't say that opposing
the
invasion wasn't functionally a stand in favor of
Saddam re
Since you asked... ;)
On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I just wonder what can be done to solve the plight of those millions
of human beings
Nothing.
There is no way to save the world. There is no way to change human
nature. And what we define as a solution now might not apply
At 03:53 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 11, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I'm not sure I saw an answer to my question in there . . .
Not from me; I was lobbing a tangent.
Did its path make it an arctangent?
-- Ronn! :)
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- Original Message -
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
> Since you asked... ;)
>
> On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
>
> > I just wonder what can be done t
- Original Message -
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
> On May 11, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure I saw an answer to my question in there . . .
On May 11, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On May 11, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I just wonder what can be done to solve the plight of those millions
of human beings
Nothing.
[...]
But, it has worked a number of times, as well as not
On Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:45 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> Not really, no. "Those who criticize?" No. People
> who pontificate endlessly but suggest nothing, who
> attack any idea but provide none of their own, who
> preen constantly but contribute nothing - them, yes, I
> think that abou
On 5/11/05, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:45 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
>
> > Not really, no. "Those who criticize?" No. People
> > who pontificate endlessly but suggest nothing, who
> > attack any idea but provide none of their own, who
> > preen con
"Stick of broom it is."
At 04:42 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
On 5/11/05, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:45 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
>
> > Not really, no. "Those who criticize?" No. People
> > who pontificate endlessly but suggest not
- Original Message -
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons
> On May 11, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >> On May 11, 20
At 11:27 PM 5/11/2005 +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
>Are you of the opinion that American Foreign Policy is always led by
selfless morality,
>or are there times when they too stoop to the level of the scummy French
or the sneaky, dirty
>Germans, and do things where the self interest of the USA outwei
At 07:56 AM 5/11/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
>Does anybody have a measure by which life is better in Iraq today than it
was
>before we invaded?
Not only does anybody have such a measure, but I can state the precise
person who does.
You do.
JDG
_
On Wed, 11 May 2005 20:10:06 -0400, JDG wrote
> At 07:56 AM 5/11/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
> >Does anybody have a measure by which life is better in Iraq today than it
> was
> >before we invaded?
>
> Not only does anybody have such a measure, but I can state the
> precise person who does.
At 05:16 PM 5/11/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
>Enlighten me, please.
>
>I've been thinking about this one a fair bit today.
>
>If it's not clear, I did mean quantitative measures, not qualitative things
>like "Saddam is under arrest."
I'm quite confident that you can handle this one on your own
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
> At 12:07 PM Wednesday 5/11/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 May 2005 09:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
>>
>>> Ah, the _perfect_ leftist stance. I have no idea what
>>> to do, but I know that you're wrong, so that makes me
>>> better than you,
>>
>> Are you
On May 11, 2005, at 3:15 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
[interventions of various types]
But, it has worked a number of times, as well as not having worked a
number
of times.
Has it? Apart from Germany and Japan post WWII, when in the history of
the US have we been successful in installing a democratic mod
On Wed, 11 May 2005 20:25:08 -0400, JDG wrote
> I'm quite confident that you can handle this one on your own.
Oh, please.
I can't think of what I've said that is a measurement of this. I wasn't
asking to argue about it or play games about it -- I really would like to know
if there is somethin
At 07:54 PM 5/11/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
>> I'm quite confident that you can handle this one on your own.
>
>Oh, please.
>
>I can't think of what I've said that is a measurement of this. I wasn't
>asking to argue about it or play games about it -- I really would like to
know
>if there is
On Wed, 11 May 2005 23:30:47 -0400, JDG wrote
> You misunderstand. I'm not referring to anything you've said
> before. If I were, I could probably cite the disdain you expressed
> for "provable likelihood of success" in an earlier post this week,
I didn't intend disdain. A provable likeli
Elsewhere I have taken on Michael Crichton and others, who are
engaged in a full-thrust, antimodernist campaign against modern
science. This agenda includes Creationism but the latest aspect is a
desperate attempt to armwave away the massive scientific consensus in
the existence of some level
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