Charlie Bell wrote:
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> Oh, I thought it was just what tax is - it's giving up some of your
> wealth to pay for roads, schools, infrastructure, basic health needs
> and basic support for society.
>
In theory. In practice, tax is used to finance the tax-collecting
nomenklatura and the parasit
John Williams wrote:
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> It appears that you are only using the measure of dispersion of wealth.
> I mentioned two things: standard of living (which is generally an average
> or median statistic) and a free society. I did not mention it, but another
> measure of wealth would be how well-off are th
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:27 PM, John Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
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> Bruce Bostwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > It is literally *illegal* for a publicly
> > traded corporation not to take every advantage of profitable market
> > strategy that it can,
>
> Cite please? I know of know "liter
Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I believe that how a society treats its most vulnerable is a much more
> appropriate measure. How does your ideology address that?
I have no ideology, unless you consider live and let live to be one. If you
are asking whether I believe in helping people who c
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From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Rceeberger wrote:
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>> On 9/10/2008 9:09:27 PM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTE
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From: John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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> > Well, my mom seems to have a trouble with new things. She has a far
> > different
> > way of looking at things, and when I try to explain them, she keeps on
> > asking
> > q
On Sep 12, 2008, at 4:09 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> Charlie Bell wrote:
>>
>> Oh, I thought it was just what tax is - it's giving up some of your
>> wealth to pay for roads, schools, infrastructure, basic health needs
>> and basic support for society.
>>
> In theory. In practice, tax is used to
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>, I'm going to ask some questions that others interpret as setting
> strawmen.
I'm not saying don't ask, but I won't guarantee an answer. Although you wouldn't
know it from my posts, I actually wanted to discuss science fiction when
I joined this list (
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 2008, at 4:09 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>
> > Charlie Bell wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh, I thought it was just what tax is - it's giving up some of your
> >> wealth to pay for roads, schools, infrastructure, basic health n
"Who cares if the mice nibble the crust, as long as the bread is still there?"
Mercedes Lackey, "Storm Breaking"
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:22:30 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
> Subject: Re: Free Market
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 200
On 12 Sep 2008, at 18:22, John Garcia wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 12, 2008, at 4:09 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>>
>>> Charlie Bell wrote:
Oh, I thought it was just what tax is - it's giving up some of your
wealth to pa
John has been writing from a position that strongly supports the market over
government control vs. most of the folks on the list. I've tended to be more
on John's side than not in this discussion, but I'm a proponent of a mixed
economy, and will argue that produces the greatest wealth in the l
On 12 Sep 2008, at 18:21, John Williams wrote:
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> , I'm going to ask some questions that others interpret as setting
>> strawmen.
>
> I'm not saying don't ask, but I won't guarantee an answer. Although
> you wouldn't
> know it from my posts, I actuall
At 12:46 PM Friday 9/12/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
>On 12 Sep 2008, at 18:22, John Garcia wrote:
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> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sep 12, 2008, at 4:09 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> >>
> >>> Charlie Bell wrote:
>
> Oh, I thought
> Well, to be clear, it appears that you fit in well with the
> frequent posters and represent a voice/perspective that was
> lost when folks to the right of me (Eric, JDG and Gautam to
> name 3 I can think of) left. I like a wealth of
> perspectives. I'm taking a bit of time off in Duluth
> MN,
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Do you agree that having a FDIC and a Federal Reserve System is an acceptable
> intervention in the free market?
Sure, they can be helpful. I'd like to see private bank insurance rather than
the FDIC,
but that is probably a pipe dream since even a Berk
> Although you wouldn't know it from my posts,
> I actually wanted to discuss science fiction when
> I joined this list (I got a bit sidetracked, obviously).
> No one wanted to discuss Greg Bear's latest book.
> I just started Neal Stephenson's new book, Anathem.
> I'm having a little trouble gett
Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have list of some of my favorite novels I can e-mail you if interested...
Thanks for the offer. I am usually only interested in discussing recent
SF novels while I am reading them or while they are still fresh in my
mind after I recently read them.
Any rec
> Inflation is primarily the result of unproductive
> government spending.
> If the government wants to limit inflation, they
> should reduce unproductive government spending.
hmm, like the total cost of the pre-emptive invasion of iraq?
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
> > I'd
> > I have list of some of my favorite novels I can e-mail
> you if interested...
> Thanks for the offer. I am usually only interested in
> discussing recent
> SF novels while I am reading them or while they are still
> fresh in my
> mind after I recently read them.
>> Any recent SF novels on your
> I have no ideology, unless you consider live and let live
> to be one. If you
> are asking whether I believe in helping people who cannot
> help themselves,
> I cannot give you a generalized answer, it depends on the
> situation. The
> choice is not whether to help someone or not, it is rather
>
> I think Bruce somewhat exaggerates the issue, but if
> you're familiar with
> the fiduciary obligations of a for-profit corporation to
> its shareholders,
> you surely realize that present law offers strong
> disincentives to engage in
> any activity that can't be justified as protecting or
> inc
> This discussion is obviously getting neither of us
> anywhere. Fine,
> whatever, my patience with this thread has now expired.
> The only
> thing I will say at this point is that my silence does not
> imply
> agreement.
> "Listen, when you get home tonight, you're gonna
> be confronted b
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, xponentrob wrote:
> "Hurricane Ike is closing in on Texas, and stands poised to become one
> of the most damaging hurricanes of all time. Despite Ike's rated
> Category 2 strength, the hurricane is much larger and more powerful than
> Category 5 Katrina or Category 5 Rita
> OK, I'm going to do one more thing that *has* to be
> done before 5:30, and
> then I'm going to start hauling toys & furniture
> into the garage. The
> last thing I need is something thrown through a window
> again.
> Julia
good luck, julia, i didn't realize you were on the coast. i ah
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, John Williams wrote:
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> , I'm going to ask some questions that others interpret as setting
>> strawmen.
>
> I'm not saying don't ask, but I won't guarantee an answer. Although you
> wouldn't
> know it from my posts, I actually wan
Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> How long is Anathem?
890 pages + about 40 pages of supplementary material at the back. I'm on page
72.
> If it's under, say, 800 pages, I might pick up a
> copy at FenCon and have it read by Christmas
Ah, well.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Julia Thompson wrote:
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>
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, xponentrob wrote:
>
>> "Hurricane Ike is closing in on Texas, and stands poised to become one
>> of the most damaging hurricanes of all time. Despite Ike's rated
>> Category 2 strength, the hurricane is much larger and more po
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
>> OK, I'm going to do one more thing that *has* to be
>> done before 5:30, and
>> then I'm going to start hauling toys & furniture
>> into the garage. The
>> last thing I need is something thrown through a window
>> again.
>> Julia
>
> good luck,
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, John Williams wrote:
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>
> Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> How long is Anathem?
>
> 890 pages + about 40 pages of supplementary material at the back. I'm on page
> 72.
>
>> If it's under, say, 800 pages, I might pick up a
>> copy at FenCon and have it read by Christ
On 9/12/2008 4:47:30 PM, Jon Louis Mann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > OK,
> I'm going to do one more thing that *has* to be
> > done before 5:30, and
> > then I'm
> going to start hauling toys & furniture
> > into the garage. The
> > last thing I need is something thrown through a window
> > aga
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From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion"
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: 08:00 UTC
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Julia Thompson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, xponentrob wrote:
>>
>>> "Hurric
Jon wrote:
>
>
> recently, i've been reading a lot of british authors; lain banks, peter
> hamilton, ian mcdonald, ian r. and ken macleod, alastair reynolds, bob shaw,
> chas stross...
> i mostly read hi tech,, cutting edge, near future hard sf, some urban
> fantasy and alt history.
> rhys hughes
-- Original message --
From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
>
> >> OK, I'm going to do one more thing that *has* to be
> >> done before 5:30, and
> >> then I'm going to start hauling toys & furniture
> >> into
On 9/12/2008 11:28:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> -- Original message --
> From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
> >
> > >> OK,
> I'm going to do one more thing that *has* to be
> > >> done before 5:30, and
> >
Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> So have you read Bank's most recent, Matter?
I read it when it came out, but I seem to have forgotten most of it. I
remember slogging through long descriptive passages wondering when the
action would start, and when it finally did (at the very end) the endi
John Williams wrote:
>
>
> I read it when it came out, but I seem to have forgotten most of it. I
> remember slogging through long descriptive passages wondering when the
> action would start, and when it finally did (at the very end) the ending
> did
> not seem worth the trouble. I think the only
Hang in, Rob, keep us informed
Doug
Rceeberger wrote:
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> On 9/12/2008 11:28:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > -- Original message --
> > From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 12 Sep 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
> > >
> > > >> OK,
>
A few links Stephenson fans might be interested in:
http://www.longnow.org/anathem/
and
[
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/AuthorsOnAir/TheBeyond/2008/09/04/Discussion-with-Neal-Stephenson
]
Doug
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On 9/13/2008 12:39:45 AM, Doug Pensinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hang in, Rob, keep us informed
>
It is amazing watching the wind swirl the rain to and fro. The wind doesn't
blow in a consistent direction, just chaotic variations of the general
direction. It is like watching a fire rage
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