On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
It is worth noting that this guy is one of the most respected members on
this list
Decide that with a vote, did you?
He seems rather a hot-head to me. I was going to ask him to explain
what set him off, but evidently he
On 8/16/2009 1:09:53 AM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
wrote:
It is worth noting that this guy is one of the most respected members
on this list
Decide that with a vote, did you?
One would have to be
Dan wrote:
One thing to remember about experimentation: 99.99% of experiments fail;
What's the criteria for success? An experimental form of governance (or
some aspect of governance) may not yield a completely successful law or
system of laws, but I'm relatively certain that important
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
One would have to be quite dense to not notice after over a decade on the
list.
Once again, your default position is to assume that others are stupid.
Do you actually think your feeble attempts to place others in a
Charlie wrote:
I do occasionally blow up. Once when I was accused of racism, once when a
private discussion I'd had with someone was forwarded to the list, and ISTR
Nick and I talking completely at cross-purposes. I was really annoyed on
Friday night, partly 'cause I'd got home after
The Atlantic has a thoughtful article by David Goldhill on health care
and health insurance reform. It is long, but I think well worth
reading. I've also included below a few paragraphs that I thought were
particularly interesting.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200909/health-care
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On 16/08/2009, at 5:46 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Charlie wrote:
I do occasionally blow up. Once when I was accused of racism, once
when a private discussion I'd had with someone was forwarded to the
list, and ISTR Nick and I talking completely at cross-purposes. I
was really annoyed on
At 02:51 AM Sunday 8/16/2009, John Williams wrote:
The Atlantic has a thoughtful article by David Goldhill on health care
and health insurance reform. It is long, but I think well worth
reading. I've also included below a few paragraphs that I thought were
particularly interesting.
Rob wrote:
LOL.I'm the cellar dweller!
Yea, that's true, but we know why. That's where all the best list wines
are kept.
Dan M.
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http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web
At 10:15 AM Sunday 8/16/2009, David Hobby wrote:
John Williams wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
One would have to be quite dense to not notice after over a decade
on the list.
Once again, your default position is to assume that others are
FWIW the _Atlantic_ article is well worth reading carefully. I've
already forwarded the link with my recommendation to a couple of
other lists, and got a couple of comments back.
The problems the article lists are real; I won't argue that the present
system is really messed up. However,
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Ronn!
Blankenshipronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
I'm only a little way into the article, but I take it Semmelwies is no
longer mentioned in the medical school (or pre-med) curriculum?
I think that the guidelines Goldhill refers to are more systematic and
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Hi. Seriously, are you trolling, or just
dense? : ) We rank respect the way most communities
do--completely informally.
Not trolling. Possibly dense. There is that reference to we again,
which is what led me to believe
John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
...
Yes, Charlie is someone I respect. His posts are
thoughtful, and when he argues, he does it in a fair
and constructive way.
So, you consider his post to me thoughtful, constructive, and worthy of
One thing that is often discussed in reference to health insurance is
that if someone is unexpectedly afflicted with a chronic condition,
their health insurance premiums will usually increase drastically.
Health insurance for someone diagnosed with a chronic condition might
go from $2,000 a year
When you reach a point where the suggested solution to ridiculously
overpriced health insurance is to take out an insurance policy on your
insurance ... perhaps it's a sign that you ought to consider some
other system.
Patrick
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:24 PM, John
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Patrick
Sweeneyfirefly.ga...@gmail.com wrote:
When you reach a point where the suggested solution to ridiculously
overpriced health insurance is to take out an insurance policy on your
insurance ... perhaps it's a sign that you ought to consider some
other
John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Patrick
Sweeneyfirefly.ga...@gmail.com wrote:
When you reach a point where the suggested solution to ridiculously
overpriced health insurance is to take out an insurance policy on your
insurance ... perhaps it's a sign that you ought to
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:47 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
I'd guess that Patrick is expecting health insurance
to have health status insurance already built into it.
One would think the whole point of health insurance is to provide you
with health care (more precisely, the funds
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:47 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
It does strike me as a kludge, though. To continue
your example of car insurance, I don't believe that
anybody markets insurance against having your car
insurance premiums rise dramatically.
I do not think there is a as
On 15 Aug 2009 at 20:00, John Williams wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
That's a true statementbut the problem with failure with radically new
government is that the failures are horrid: (e.g. the French Revolution,
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Patrick Sweeneyfirefly.ga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:47 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
But if I do fall ill, for the insurer to raise my rates rather than
provide the agreed-upon care seems like dirty pool.
That is only true if
On 16 Aug 2009 at 14:08, John Williams wrote:
New ideas can be difficult to get used to. Perhaps they could be
bundled together for those who prefer it. But it would be a bundle --
the two types of insurance are fundamentally different, since one pays
a lump sum or equivalent (like life
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Andrew
Crystalldawnfal...@upliftwar.com wrote:
Many people won't go for checkups if they have to pay out of pocket,
and they will ignore dangerous conditions for too long.
Did you read the article, or just the excerpts I posted? This was
discussed in the
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Andrew
Crystalldawnfal...@upliftwar.com wrote:
And immediately you're creating the concept that as aoon as anything
happens, your insurance will go up, because the risk to the insurer
that you'll not be paying them anymore has been pushed to another
party.
I
Obama, yesterday, was right on target when he said there was no single
silver bullet for this problem. But, we do know things can be better,
because we are paying twice as much as the average developed country per
person with worse than average results.
I have heard, but have been too lazy
On 16 Aug 2009 at 14:44, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Andrew
Crystalldawnfal...@upliftwar.com wrote:
Many people won't go for checkups if they have to pay out of pocket,
and they will ignore dangerous conditions for too long.
Did you read the article, or just
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Andrew
Crystalldawnfal...@upliftwar.com wrote:
Yes, you're simply refusing to accnowledge the actual results of the
policys proposed...
What exactly am I refusing to acknowledge?
to be charged (as their status insurance can be cancelled,
Health status
On 16 Aug 2009 at 15:52, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Andrew
Crystalldawnfal...@upliftwar.com wrote:
Yes, you're simply refusing to accnowledge the actual results of the
policys proposed...
What exactly am I refusing to acknowledge?
That you'd simply once
On 16 Aug 2009 at 11:45, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
FWIW the _Atlantic_ article is well worth reading carefully. I've
already forwarded the link with my recommendation to a couple of
other lists, and got a couple of comments back.
The problems the article lists are real; I
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Andrew
Crystalldawnfal...@upliftwar.com wrote:
, so if you're a bad
health risk or have prexisting conditions you're very unlikely to be
able to get status coverage at a deacent price or at all in the first
place,
That is not the way health status insurance
On 16 Aug 2009 at 16:30, John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Andrew
Crystalldawnfal...@upliftwar.com wrote:
, so if you're a bad
health risk or have prexisting conditions you're very unlikely to be
able to get status coverage at a deacent price or at all in the first
John Williams said the following on 8/16/2009 5:08 PM:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:47 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
It does strike me as a kludge, though. To continue
your example of car insurance, I don't believe that
anybody markets insurance against having your car
insurance
Lance A. Brown wrote:
John Williams said the following on 8/16/2009 5:08 PM:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:47 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
It does strike me as a kludge, though. To continue
your example of car insurance, I don't believe that
anybody markets insurance against having
Trent Shipley wrote:
Obama, yesterday, was right on target when he said there was no single
silver bullet for this problem. But, we do know things can be better,
because we are paying twice as much as the average developed country per
person with worse than average results.
I have heard,
John Williams wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Trent Shipleytship...@deru.com wrote:
John Williams wrote:
There are billions of people around the world with worse healthcare
than virtually everyone in the United States. If the goal is to
redistribute wealth to improve healthcare
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From: Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:19:16 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
Obama, yesterday, was right on target when he said there was no single
silver bullet for
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