Re: Wal-Mart is evil, why it must be eradicated

2008-12-01 Thread pencimen
"Dan M" wrote: > The housing bubble was partially due to cash with no place to go. But, much > of the excess in housing prices was deliberately caused by homeowners' votes > against affordable housing in places like California. Why do you think that > prices for comparable housing in LA are

Re: Texas Proposes Wind Farm, McDonald's Franchise on Half Dome

2008-05-13 Thread pencimen
Solar is impractical. Is it? http://www.nanosolar.com/ more tonight Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: CoS in the news

2008-01-29 Thread pencimen
Dave wrote: > Congratulations! That's practically like being a grown-up! I'm sorry? Care to explain that last remark? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Uplift at Yellowstone

2007-11-19 Thread pencimen
Deborah wrote > I recently finished _Inversion_, which I don't think > is a Culture tale, but I found it compelling. Oh, but it is! 8^) Doug Prime Directive? Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Support Our Troops

2007-11-13 Thread pencimen
And in case that didn't motivate you, there's this: http://gocomics.typepad.com/the_sandbox/ VETERANS DAY 2007 Name: CAPT Benjamin Tupper Posting date: 11/11/07 Returned from: Afghanistan Veterans Day 2007 marks the six month anniversary of my return to the United States. A week doesn't

Re: Speaking of Austin...

2007-08-08 Thread pencimen
Thanks for all your help, Julia. I'm going to head down to 6th and hike towards Lamar. I got a few ideas from the Chronicle. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Speaking of Austin...

2007-08-08 Thread pencimen
Julia wrote: > Not sure. If you can extract the info you need from > http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Calendar/MusicListings that's a > good resource. I'll poke a bit and see what I can extract from there that > would be useful. > > (I don't get out to see live music very often, and

Re: Speaking of Austin...

2007-08-08 Thread pencimen
Julia wrote: > The Whole Foods flagship store is just across 6th from that corner, and Waterloo Records is just across Lamar from there. If you continue just a bit further on 6th past Lamar, there's an Amy's Ice Cream, which if you really like ice cream is something you ought to try while y

Re: Speaking of Austin...

2007-08-01 Thread pencimen
Julia wrote: > Let's see, you're coming in during prime bat-viewing season; call > 512-416-5700 and then punch in category 3636 when prompted to do > so, and the message will tell you when the bats will likely be > emerging from under the Congress Avenue Bridge. There's good > viewing

Re: Who Killed the Electric Car

2007-07-10 Thread pencimen
Alberto wrote: > The harsh logic of economics is all that dictates the death > - or, better, the contraception - of the electric car. > > Why there are so few helicopter lines in modern cities? Just > because they are too expensive, and few people want to pay > 200 dollars to save 2 hours of traf

Re: Re Cost of conservation

2007-05-01 Thread pencimen
Ronn! wrote: > According to many radical greens: "A good start." And according to many religionists: "Not nearly enough" Doug Rapture maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-11-22 Thread pencimen
Rich wrote: > Quite how we can convince people in the regions where the failure > of the Islamic states is most total that the things they ought to > be emulating from the glorious past of Islamic are openness to > trade, toleration, meritocracy, egality, respect and encouragement > for science a

Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-11-21 Thread pencimen
Ronn! wrote: > And should we conclude with all 300 million of us chanting in > unison "There is no G-d but Allah and . . . "? I'd just as soon we concluded there is no God, period, but I know we're not mature enough for that. Doug ___ http://www.mccm

Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-11-21 Thread pencimen
JDG wrote: > Sorry, but does anyone remember the red scare, McCarthyism, the > missile gap, air raid drills in schools, backyard nuclear shelters, > the Sputnik gap, "We Will Bury You", the domino theory, managed > decline, etc.? Yet throughout that period human rights advanced, transparency

Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-11-21 Thread pencimen
JDG wrote: > So, if I understand you correctly, your favored strategy in dealing > with Al Qaeda would be to: > > -Withdraw immediately from Iraq I'd give it six months, withdrawing gradually. > -Cease all aid to Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the Persian Gulf State

Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"

2006-11-19 Thread pencimen
Dave Land wrote: > To hear My Fellow Americans talk, it was nothing as harmless as a > scorpion... They are pretty well convinced that it is a cone snail > or a funnel-web spider -- something completely, rapidly and > horrifyingly lethal. Actually I'd characterize the reaction as our leadership i

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-11 Thread pencimen
Ronn! wrote: > Julia wrote: > >Mass hysteria. > >Can't Forget Mass Hysteria Maru > > Isn't that what a lot of people get upon looking at the reading on the scale? I thought she meant a particularly moving Catholic service. Doug ___ http://www.mccmed

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread pencimen
JDG wrote: > Despite your cavalier attitude - "shrug" - you are, nevertheless, > talking about a dramatic reordering of our basic societal structure. > I don't know what "provisions" those are that you are talking about, > but you are basically suggesting a social experiment on a grand >

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread pencimen
Charlie wrote: > > Still got a long way to go, especially in countries where they're > specifically enacting legislation to forbid gay marriage. Round and > round we go. I agree, but younger people have more tolerant attitudes and are more likely to ask why we discourage loving relationships. >

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread pencimen
JDG wrote: > Maybe I'm being a bit pedantic, but everyone in New Jersey was and is > free to marry, regardless of their sexual orientation If the partner of choice isn't involved then the word "free" is somewhat misplaced. In any case, it's heartening to see that, despite the best effort of

Re: Week 9 NFL Picks

2006-11-06 Thread pencimen
JDG wrote: > So, in other words, you judge QB's in part by factors that are > completely outside their control? In part, of course. If a QB with fantastic potential is badly injured early in their career, never to reach his potential, will he ever be considered great? If a QB with potential end

Re: Those who can't, teach

2006-11-06 Thread pencimen
Dan wrote: > But, as that likelihood of that scenario playing out continues to > decrease, then we need, IMHO, to consider the first rules of > holes: when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is > stop digging. I think we've reached a point where we cannot stop > a civil war from ha

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread pencimen
Dan wrote: > I think his point is that the principal of rule by law indicates that > sometimes we must accept laws that are immoral, unjust, or bad ideas. Yes, I misread the post, sorry. Of course I couldn't disagree more. What is the use of a constitution whose tenets are ignored or a court tha

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread pencimen
JDG wrote: > recognizing that the law > may occasionally be immoral, unjust, or just plain a bad idea So we agree then that the NJ ruling was legit? Or is it moral, just and a good idea to treat someone differently because of their sexual orientation? Doug

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-11-05 Thread pencimen
Deborah wrote: > Very good indeed...I could google it and see, but it's > easier to just ask you: who wrote that? (I'd guess > one of the Founders, by the capitalisations and > stately flow-of-words...) Spot on. It's from Washington's farewell address. The parts about political parties and fori

Re: Week 9 NFL Picks

2006-11-04 Thread pencimen
JDG wrote: > ... and only > won because of a masterful performance by someone who will someday be > regarded as the best QB in NFL History. He's got a long way to go to prove that to me. You can put up gaudy numbers and win a lot of regular season games (Dan Marino and the young John Elway) but

Re: Those who can't, teach

2006-11-02 Thread pencimen
Damon wrote: > I tend to agree. I think the problem is exacerbated by the fact IMHO that we have an ethical responsibility to clean up our own mess. I really don't think there is any easy way out of this one... But how do we clean it up? We have failed miserably to this point, what can we do dif

Re: Oops, not disappointing -- discouraging!

2006-10-25 Thread pencimen
Andrew Crystall wrote: > Indeed... > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html One shell constitutes an active program??? > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163896/posts Looks like a right wing loony site. Can you find the same story from a reputable source? Like this one:

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-24 Thread pencimen
JDG wrote: > So, you're saying that it is completely unreasonable for someone to > have thought that Al Gore would be a disaster as President? I think it's a reasonable assumption that Gore wouldn't have been the complete, unmitigated disaster that Bush is. I think it is likely that Bush w

Re: Simpsons take on Iraq war

2006-10-22 Thread pencimen
Rob wrote: > Anyone who thinks Hollywood is run by a liberal cabal won't change > his mind after watching The Simpsons' annual Halloween special. What makes opposition to the "war" liberal? Many prominant conservatives such as George Will, W.F. Buckley have come out against it. No one is sayin

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-21 Thread pencimen
Charlie wrote: > For a innocent citizen, a false accusation would not affect one > forever. But it could take a substantial portion of one's life up. > That, coupled with the explicit endorsement of torture methods such > as waterboarding (methods that the US itself pushed for banning and > prosec

Re: More on the Maya

2006-10-11 Thread pencimen
Debbie wrote: The > population at Laguna appears robust and exhibits > minimal pathologies, perhaps due to a more diverse and > protein rich diet facilitated by reforestation... > > Debbi > who has stocked up on books from the library, as we're > expecting snow today (it was 80oF on Saturday!)

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-07 Thread pencimen
Charlie wrote: > Hmm. I think intent is important. Some words may have been offensive > once, but 50 years is a long time in language. "Pom" used to be > offensive in Oz, but it's not now, unless it's accompanied by an > adjective (usually "whinging"...). pffft! WTF is whinging? Of course inten

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-07 Thread pencimen
Ronn! wrote: > Which is where I heard it from. > > However, if anyone did find it offensive, I apologize, as that was > not my intent. I'm not generally oversensitive to this kind of thing and I understand that most people aren't aware that these terms (Jap and Nip) are pejorative. I'm more awar

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-07 Thread pencimen
Robert wrote: > I'm not at all sure that "Nip" is all that offensive, but I would > defer to the opinion of those of us who are married to or are good > friends with Japanese people or those of such descent. > > Nip is short for Nipponese. > Brit is short for British. > So how is "Nip" different?

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-06 Thread pencimen
Ronn! wrote: > In any case, someone on the ground looked up and > remarked, "It's December and there's a nip in the air . . . " Let me ask you Ronn; if you had a funny play on the words "nigger" or "kike" would you consider posting it to the list? Doug __

Re: Collapse Chapter 4 - Chaco Canyon

2006-10-04 Thread pencimen
Debbi wrote: > I know next-to-nothing about the Mayans, but will > tackle that if no one better-qualified steps up. > > Debbi > I Think I Saw A Museum Show About Them Once Maru :) Excelent! I'll do Chapter 6 unless someone else wants a go at it. Any Viking experts? Doug _

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-28 Thread pencimen
"Dan wrote: > Their per capita GDP is also 75% of the US. Since we are talking > about economic costs, let's look at energy usage per unit of GDP Can you expand on the connection between energy use and GDP? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-28 Thread pencimen
Dan wrote: > http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/george_monbiot/2006/09/ post_411.html > I think this gives some idea of just how expensive it will be to stop global warming by holding the CO2 levels steady in 25 years. The article you cited also says: "There are three things on which almost al

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-28 Thread pencimen
Ronn! wrote: > What if we spend the >>$10T (Dan's figure) to reduce the > anthropogenic component of global warming and then find out that it > was not the primary driving cause and we still have to deal with > the storms, floods, droughts, famines and hundreds of millions of > refugees? Or if Ch

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-28 Thread pencimen
Dan wrote: > If this is true, than why has world usage of fossil fuel gone up > after a tripling of price? Poor leadership. Can I have a cite for that BTW. > Every indication is that a worldwide recession is the > only thing that will stop the growth of fossil fuel usage. I think competent lea

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-27 Thread pencimen
William wrote: > Earth is already as warm as at any time in the last 10,000 years, and > is within 1 °C of being its hottest for a million years, says > Hansen's team. Another decade of business-as-usual carbon emissions > will probably make it too late to prevent the ecosystems of the north > fro

Re: Collapse Chapter 4 - Chaco Canyon

2006-09-27 Thread pencimen
John, thanks for your insight. Though I don't agree with your analysis (surprise surprise), I appreciate your POV especially as you've visited the area recently. I apologize for not answering this sooner. Among other excuses, the mail server I use is giving me problems. JDG wrote: > What's tru

Re: Religion poll

2006-09-25 Thread pencimen
David Hobby wrote: > > Type "A" is authoritarian, metes out punishment, and is highly > > involved in world and personal affairs (the view of about 31 > > percent). > > > > Type "B" is benevolent, also active in the world and individual > > lives, but more forgiving (23 percent). > > > > Type "C"

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

2006-08-15 Thread pencimen
Jim Sharkey wrote: > It's certainly hard to convince people without food that the red- > footed gnatcatcher's needs are greater than their own. Even if you > can convince them in the abstract that the extinction of another > species is a Bad Thing (tm), convincing them in the "real" when > their

Re: Orwell quotation

2005-06-02 Thread pencimen
Leonard Matusik wrote: > Gee Doug that sounds great, really Actually, it's just supposed to mean that nothing is off topic here. It was coined by one of the lists very early members (was it Marco?) in response to a question similar to yours. Doug ___

Re: SpamAdaption

2005-02-14 Thread pencimen
Matt wrote: > I wrote: > > > If you can limit telemarketing with a no > > call list, why can't you regulate spam? > Would there be some kind of spam permit? > The cost per spam is much, much lower than > the cost per phone call (both in phone charges > and salaries) which adds a kind of self-li

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-26 Thread pencimen
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Really? I have heard many people claim that "everybody talks" when > tortured. In the movies, the tortures that are applied seem so tame > and unimaginative. How about Dustin Hoffman getting holes drilled in his teeth in Marathon

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-26 Thread pencimen
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Provide a transcript that does not have cridbile backing. > ??? > Alied intelegance is considered credible. > > But still your missing the point. I just can't see how an intelegant > person is hoodwinked by this rediculous p

Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-26 Thread pencimen
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Of course, California Democrats, instead of doing the wise > > thing and trying > > to get a solid candidate in there are rallying around the > > sinking ship. > > Y

Re: Religion based ethics

2003-07-26 Thread pencimen
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert J. Chassell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Isn't there at least one, however vaguely defined purpose to > > evolution: success? > > No. Purpose presupposes intent. There is no intent in the > happenstance that some of a set of erroneously self-replicat

Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-25 Thread pencimen
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of John D. Giorgis > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:14 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for S