On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 01:09 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In addition, how does this all work? where does the energy to power
the
humans come from? We get out energy from food, which inevitably get's
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>From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:57 PM
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>On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 01:09 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Chad Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >-Original Message-
> >From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:57 PM
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>Now is the energy needed to supply all of these small enough
>for the system
>to be sustainable?
>
>I doubt it.
I agree. The math shows that they could not get enough bodies together to
generate the energy required, even if they were quite good at synthesisizing
foodstuff (like a HeeChee food F
--- Chad Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Now is the energy needed to supply all of these small enough
> >for the system
> >to be sustainable?
> >
> >I doubt it.
>
> I agree. The math shows that they could not get enough bodies together to
> generate the energy required, even if they were q
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From: "Chad Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:19 PM
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From: Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2 points
1) With the energy needed to extract these, is it still workable? Is the
energy needed for mining small enough for the system to be sustainable?
2) The human body will generate energy from the above mentioned chemicals.
However, living cells are not sus
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From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:59 PM
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> Yea, but that's just becasue the force of g
Dan said:
>> Yea, but that's just becasue the force of gravity at the sun is
>> greater. An ounce of flesh on earth has far more mass than the
>> average
>
> ounce of material in the sun. (weight = mass*gravitational force)
Is an "ounce" a unit of mass or weight? I never did grasp those old
uni
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From: "Richard Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:50 PM
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> Dan said:
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> >> Yea, but that
--- Bryon Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED] mail.com> wrote:
> >From: Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >2 points
> >
> >1) With the energy needed to extract these, is it still workable? Is the
> >energy needed for mining small enough for the system to be sustainable?
> >
> >2) The human body will generate e
Dan said:
> No, what I meant to say was that the total energy in an average ounce
> of material on the earth is greater than the total energy of an
> average ounce of material on the sun, because the mass of the material
> on the earth would be so much greater.
Ah, okay. Thinking in masses is so
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 10:19:21AM -0700, Chad Cooper wrote:
> An ounce of flesh has more energy than an ounce of solar material, I
> think, by a magnitude.
This is nonsense.
> A body needs few things to create energy - Water, Oxygen, Carbon, and
> Hydrogen - most of which can be extracted from
At 02:07 PM 6/9/03 -0400, Bryon Daly wrote:
From: Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2 points
1) With the energy needed to extract these, is it still workable? Is the
energy needed for mining small enough for the system to be sustainable?
2) The human body will generate energy from the above mentioned
>Chad,
>
>Are you speaking hypothetica-probably or did you do some calculating?
>
>If you did I would like to see your work.
I did an earlier calculation with 2 assumptions, 1> each human generates 100
watts of heat at rest, and the total Wattage in use in the US today, which
is 3.5 GW. It would
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Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:30 PM
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> >Chad,
> >
> >Are you
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>From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:19 PM
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>On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 10:19:21AM -0700, Chad Cooper wrote:
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>> An ou
From: Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Yea, so the question is, is the story crap, or have they accounted for all
of
this and will reveal it in the next movie? Like:
I'm hoping for the latter, but I fear the former. A lot of tv/movie sci-fi
producers
seem to think that the audience is dumb and wo
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 02:56:02PM -0700, Chad Cooper wrote:
> I did get this wrong. What I should have correctly said is a cubic
> centimeter of flesh contains more energy than a cubic centimeter of
> solar gas.
How is that relevant?
> I believe that the assuption made in the movie is that fles
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From: "Chad Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:56 PM
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> >-Original Message-
>> I did get this wrong. What I should have correctly said is a cubic
>> centimeter of flesh contains more energy than a cubic
>centimeter of solar
>> gas. Dan's assumtion about mass was correct. A cubic
>centimeter of gas
>does
>> not weigh near what a cubic centimeter of flesh does.
>
>At 1 at
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 04:24:44PM -0700, Chad Cooper wrote:
> I am right on the whole wattage thing(IMHO and I don't want to argue
> about it).
If you mean how much electrical power is used in the US, you are
definitely wrong. And that is not my humble opinion, it is fact.
I'm with Dan on the w
>-Original Message-
>From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:42 PM
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>Subject: Re: Picking apart the Matrix - spoilers
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>On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 04:24:44PM -0700, Chad Cooper wrote:
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>> I am
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 05:40:47PM -0700, Chad Cooper wrote:
> >From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 04:24:44PM -0700, Chad Cooper wrote:
> >
> >> I am right on the whole wattage thing(IMHO and I don't want to argue
> >> about it).
> >
> >If you mean how much e
And my random other observation about the matrix:
Why the heck should the matrix be "just like real life in the year 2000"
or whatever?
Why not make it a perfect, ideal paradise for everyone? Then no one would
want to
leave it, and no one would be killed prematurely by violence in the
simulati
From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I didn't know there was a competition. I just hate to see nonsense
passed off as science, and I will almost always correct it when I see
it, and point it out to try to reduce its future occurrence.
A noble cause, but perhaps using a bit more tact and/or sensit
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:05:26AM -0400, Bryon Daly wrote:
> A noble cause, but perhaps using a bit more tact and/or sensitivity
> while doing the correcting might accomplish the same goal without so
> many hard feelings?
Could be. Or if you don't like the way I do it, you could do it
yourself.
William T Goodall wrote:
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> On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 01:09 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > In a message dated 6/7/2003 2:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> >> In addition, how does this all work? where does the energy to power
> >> the
> >> humans come fro
At 05:40 PM 6/9/03 -0700, Chad Cooper wrote:
Perhaps I need to preface everything I write with (ALIKALOSBAASN).
???
-- Ronn! :)
God bless America,
Land that I love!
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white
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>From: Ronn!Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:45 PM
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>At 05:40 PM 6/9/03 -0700, Chad Cooper wrote:
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>>P
I really, really got to get out to see this movie. The number of messages
I've skipped is getting huge on this thread...
And it's morphing into other threads.
- jmh
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Bryon Daly wrote:
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> I'm hoping for the latter, but I fear the former.
> A lot of tv/movie sci-fi producers seem to think
> that the audience is dumb and won't care about
> logical consistency. "Hey, it's all make-believe
> anyway - who cares about the details!"
>
> I think that every sci-fi mo
Matt wrote:
My favorite is the "real-time satellite surveilance"
of the action where somehow the camera angle appears to
be from a building across the street, instead of
directly above.
The angle wouldn't necessarily have to be directly above, surveilance
satellites can usually see a range of angl
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 05:23:14PM -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote:
> The angle wouldn't necessarily have to be directly above, surveilance
> satellites can usually see a range of angles from what I understand. But
Any idea what range? This is an interesting question. I would think
that you wouldn
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