Re: Physics vs Economics (Was: major power outage in the East)

2003-08-18 Thread Russell Chapman
Erik Reuter wrote: >Does 845 miles qualify as "a few hundred"? > It qualifies as next-door here. We have a relatively small number of power stations, usually around energy sources such as coal mines, that are thousands of miles apart and often thousands of miles from the consumers. We have also

Re: Physics vs Economics (Was: major power outage in the East)

2003-08-15 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 10:55 PM 8/15/2003 -0500, you wrote: - Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Physics vs Economics (Was: major power outage in the Ea

Re: Physics vs Economics (Was: major power outage in the East)

2003-08-15 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Physics vs Economics (Was: major power outage in the East) > On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 11:21:

Re: Physics vs Economics (Was: major power outage in the East)

2003-08-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 11:21:08PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >From an Op-Ed article in today's NY Times: > > "the idea of creating large national markets to buy and sell electricity > makes more sense as economic theory than as physics, because it consumes power to > transmit power. 'It'

Physics vs Economics (Was: major power outage in the East)

2003-08-15 Thread TomFODW
>From an Op-Ed article in today's NY Times: "the idea of creating large national markets to buy and sell electricity makes more sense as economic theory than as physics, because it consumes power to transmit power. 'It's only efficient to transmit electricity for a few hundred miles at most,' s

Re: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread Joshua Bell
I happened to be in Detroit doing a customer visit when the outage hit. Detroit was low on the list for places to bring back online. Morning of the 15th it was still offline, and at that point the airport was already backlogged. Rather than waiting around in a hotel (with no power, food, water.

Re: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread John Garcia
On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 05:04 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 15 Aug 2003 at 11:05, Jon Gabriel wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Cooper Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:12 PM To: Brin-L (E-mail 2) Subject: major power

Re: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread John Garcia
On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 02:48 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: I don't know, but Manhattan at least is largely back on line at the moment. I have internet service, but not phone at the moment. Gautam = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Freedom is not free" http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __

RE: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread Jon Gabriel
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 5:33 PM > To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' > Subject: RE: major power outage in the East > > At 11:05 AM 8/15/03 -0400, Jon

Re: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 10:04:15PM +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: > It could allways be worse. One of my friends was on a rollercoaster... That's interesting. Was he climbing the first hill? Otherwise, the coaster was coasting, right? Was it computer controlled and automatic brakes came on to stop

RE: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:05 AM 8/15/03 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chad Cooper > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:12 PM > To: Brin-L (E-mail 2) > Subject: major power outage in the East > > F

RE: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
> -Original Message- > From: Andrew Crystall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 02:04 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: major power outage in the East > > > Power is restored in Queens. Walking home from the city yesterday

RE: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 15 Aug 2003 at 11:05, Jon Gabriel wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > Behalf Of Chad Cooper > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:12 PM > > To: Brin-L (E-mail 2) > > Subject: major

RE: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
ssage- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:08 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: major power outage in the East > > > > > >In a message dated 8/14/2003 3:02:07 PM US Mountain > Stand

RE: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread Chad Cooper
Why does Atlas Shrugged keep coming to mind Nerd From Hell >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:08 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: major power outage in the East > > >In a message da

Re: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:08 PM 8/14/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/14/2003 3:02:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > For all of you not on the Eastern side of the country... > Head to CNN ... > > The Niagra-Mohawk power grid is down... > A report from Manhattan is t

RE: major power outage in the East

2003-08-15 Thread Jon Gabriel
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chad Cooper > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:12 PM > To: Brin-L (E-mail 2) > Subject: major power outage in the East > > For all of you not on the Eastern side of the

Re: major power outage in the East

2003-08-14 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 8/14/2003 3:02:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > For all of you not on the Eastern side of the country... > Head to CNN ... > > The Niagra-Mohawk power grid is down... > A report from Manhattan is the Island is completely black... > Half of our

major power outage in the East

2003-08-14 Thread Chad Cooper
For all of you not on the Eastern side of the country... Head to CNN ... The Niagra-Mohawk power grid is down... A report from Manhattan is the Island is completely black... Half of our Manufacturing plants are down, including Auburn Hills in Michigan Nerd From Hell __

RE: Power outage!

2002-11-10 Thread Reggie Bautista
Nick wrote: COs have big battery backups and generators with many days of fuel. Bearing in mind that among othing things, the 911 emergency phone system depends on them, they've been required for a long time to have reliable emergency power. And their power needs are relatively low, at least co

Re: Power outage!

2002-11-08 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 08:52:07PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > What do the "A" and "M" stand for? Do you know? (Just curious.) Access Multiplexer. Yes. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.c

Re: Power outage!

2002-11-08 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Kevin Tarr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: RE: Power outage! What I know from having worked in phone company buildings and having built a couple of them plus a few co-locati

Re: Power outage!

2002-11-08 Thread Julia Thompson
Nick Arnett wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces@;mccmedia.com]On > > Behalf Of Kevin Tarr > > ... > > > I understand that, but does the telex have full UPS, probably generator > > based? How big of an outage would there be before you couldn'

RE: Power outage!

2002-11-08 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 06:17 PM 11/8/02, Nick Arnett wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces@;mccmedia.com]On > Behalf Of Kevin Tarr ... > I understand that, but does the telex have full UPS, probably generator > based? How big of an outage would there be before you cou

Re: Power outage!

2002-11-08 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/8/2002 4:47:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << -- Ronn! :) Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt. >> Too late for me. Vilyehm Teighlore - Lightsaber is in Spellcheck. Caltrop is not. We're all doomed. _

RE: Power outage!

2002-11-08 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces@;mccmedia.com]On > Behalf Of Kevin Tarr ... > I understand that, but does the telex have full UPS, probably generator > based? How big of an outage would there be before you couldn't > send anything? > > Wondering if t

Re: Power outage!

2002-11-08 Thread Julia Thompson
e one computer tell all the > >others to shut down. In theory, I can do it with some software from APC, > >but it's been a paint to get it working even on one machine. > > > >Nick > > I understand that, but does the telex have full UPS, probably generator > base

Re: Power outage!

2002-11-08 Thread Ronn Blankenship
Whereas the monthly bill from the electric company is frequently a power outrage . . . -- Ronn! :) Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: Power outage!

2002-11-08 Thread Kevin Tarr
> Okay, I can understand your house, but unless you are using a > satellite or > microwave to transmit, how does the message get out? Maybe be very stupid > question, but wondering about local telex or cable systems, ect ect. It's DSL, which is powered by the telephone company. My server, route

RE: Power outage!

2002-11-08 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces@;mccmedia.com]On > Behalf Of Kevin Tarr ... > Okay, I can understand your house, but unless you are using a > satellite or > microwave to transmit, how does the message get out? Maybe be very stupid > question, but wond

RE: Power outage!

2002-11-08 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 06:42 PM 11/7/2002 -0800, you wrote: I'm back, power is on, but it's really storming here. Our first winter storm of the season is a biggie. There's rain and hail hitting my office windows at rather high velocity. Not much lightning, though, as is usual around these parts. The storm knocked

RE: Power outage!

2002-11-07 Thread Nick Arnett
ax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces@;mccmedia.com]On > Behalf Of Nick Arnett > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:09 PM > To: Brin-L@Mccmedia. Com > Subject: Power outage! > > > List folks: > > P

Power outage!

2002-11-07 Thread Nick Arnett
List folks: Power just went out here in Santa Clara. I'm working off UPS. Will let you know when power's back, but until then, no Brin-L... or at least as soon as I shut down the server. Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _