Dave said:
A couple of weeks ago, she sent me the following, which sums up some
thoughts I've ben having lately about what's wrong with the current
administration's approach to terrorism -- it gives the terrorists just
what they want: for us to be afraid. For us to lose our freedoms in
the name
On 28/09/2006, at 4:03 AM, Dave Land wrote:
This beautiful woman in her early 80's sat proudly as she spoke. Then
she said: "You know, I've lived in America since shortly after
World War
II. It disturbs me to see the current leaders talk so much about the
dangers of terrorists, and talk so
On 9/27/2006 2:01:04 PM, Richard Baker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Dave said:
>
> > A couple of weeks ago, she sent me the following, which sums up
> > some
> > thoughts I've been having lately about what's wrong with the
> > current
> >
> administration's approach to terrorism -- it gives the
At 06:44 PM Wednesday 9/27/2006, Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
On 9/27/2006 2:01:04 PM, Richard Baker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Dave said:
>
> > A couple of weeks ago, she sent me the following, which sums up
> > some
> > thoughts I've been having lately about what's wrong with the
> > current
>
Charlie Bell wrote:
On 28/09/2006, at 4:03 AM, Dave Land wrote:
This beautiful woman in her early 80's sat proudly as she spoke. Then
she said: "You know, I've lived in America since shortly after World War
II. It disturbs me to see the current leaders talk so much about the
dangers of terror
Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
Perhaps we should stop calling that group Al Qaeda and start calling
them Al Kato.
(After Clousseau's sparring partner)
I see that and think "O.J. Simpson's guest". :P
Julia
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On 29/09/2006, at 12:58 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Charlie Bell wrote:
On 28/09/2006, at 4:03 AM, Dave Land wrote:
This beautiful woman in her early 80's sat proudly as she spoke.
Then
she said: "You know, I've lived in America since shortly after
World War
II. It disturbs me to see the c
Charlie Bell wrote:
On 29/09/2006, at 12:58 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Charlie Bell wrote:
On 28/09/2006, at 4:03 AM, Dave Land wrote:
This beautiful woman in her early 80's sat proudly as she spoke. Then
she said: "You know, I've lived in America since shortly after
World War
II. It distu
At 09:59 AM Thursday 9/28/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
Perhaps we should stop calling that group Al Qaeda and start
calling them Al Kato.
(After Clousseau's sparring partner)
I see that and think "O.J. Simpson's guest". :P
What is it they say about great minds t
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:59 AM Thursday 9/28/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
Perhaps we should stop calling that group Al Qaeda and start calling
them Al Kato.
(After Clousseau's sparring partner)
I see that and think "O.J. Simpson's guest". :P
What is it the
At 08:09 AM Friday 9/29/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:59 AM Thursday 9/28/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
Perhaps we should stop calling that group Al Qaeda and start
calling them Al Kato.
(After Clousseau's sparring partner)
I see that an
On Sep 27, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Dave Land wrote:
A couple of weeks ago, she sent me the following, which sums up some
thoughts I've ben having lately about what's wrong with the current
administration's approach to terrorism -- it gives the terrorists just
what they want: for us to be afraid. For
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
> With the signing into law of Bush's pet "tur'rist" project,
> we've given
> to the Executive branch two things it should never, ever have: The
> ability to interpret internationally-significant law to suit current
> fashion; and the ability to define anyone - includin
On Sep 30, 2006, at 7:33 AM, Ritu wrote:
Well, look at the bright side - at least Abu Ghraib isn't a scandal
anymore. It is now the law...
Which is of course the point. Bush wants to keep his ass from being
impeached under an opposition congress.
--
Warren Ockrassa
Blog | http://indigestib
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
> > Well, look at the bright side - at least Abu Ghraib isn't a scandal
> > anymore. It is now the law...
>
> Which is of course the point. Bush wants to keep his ass from being
> impeached under an opposition congress.
I've seen plenty of people, theoretically working
Robert G. Seeberger
> On 9/27/2006 2:01:04 PM, Richard Baker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > One of the most striking things about the July 7 attacks was how
> > utterly unterrified we all were. I know people who were
> very close to
> > the bombing attacks and their response was uniformly cal
At 12:55 AM Sunday 10/1/2006, Ritu wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
> > Well, look at the bright side - at least Abu Ghraib isn't a scandal
> > anymore. It is now the law...
>
> Which is of course the point. Bush wants to keep his ass from being
> impeached under an opposition congress.
I've seen
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:55 AM Sunday 10/1/2006, Ritu wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
> > Well, look at the bright side - at least Abu Ghraib isn't a scandal
> > anymore. It is now the law...
>
> Which is of course the point. Bush wants to keep his ass from being
> impeached under an opposi
Ronn!Blankenship asked:
> >I've seen plenty of people, theoretically working for public good,
> >subvert laws and institutions of a country. But this is the
> first time
> >I've ever seen a near complete subversion of a constitution.
> Bush & Co
> >make the BJP look good,
>
>
> "BJP"?
Bha
> Ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Robert G. Seeberger
> > > Richard Baker wrote:
> > > One of the most striking things about the July 7
> attacks was how
> > > utterly unterrified we all were
> > I don't know how it may appear from over there,
> but on 9/11 I was
> > angry. Heck I w
> Ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Regarding the BJP:]
> Really nasty people, propagating the most hateful of
> ideas under the
> guise of patriotism and national security. Its
> sister organisations, the
> RSS and the VHP, are equally bad.
Golly, no similarities here in the US...
Maybe Thoma
On 03/10/2006, at 6:49 AM, Deborah Harrell wrote:
Debbi
who has no confidence in voting this next election, as
Colorado has chosen not to have certifiable
machines...no, this is not a joke. Or perhaps it is.
Request an absentee ballot, and vote that way. At least it's on paper.
Charlie
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> Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 03/10/2006, at 6:49 AM, Deborah Harrell wrote:
> > Debbi
> > who has no confidence in voting this next
> election, as
> > Colorado has chosen not to have certifiable
> > machines...no, this is not a joke. Or perhaps it
> is.
>
> Request an absentee
On Oct 2, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Deborah Harrell wrote:
who has no confidence in voting this next election, as
Colorado has chosen not to have certifiable
machines...no, this is not a joke. Or perhaps it is.
Peggy and I took the voting machines out of the equation
for good by registering as perman
Deborah Harrell wrote:
> Except that many of us who listened to
> Academy*-trained combat veterans -- instead of
> chickenhawk pols -- did _not_ buy into Iraq as an
> immediate threat to the US, ever.
I know. That is why I said 'massive support' instead of 'unanimous
support' or 'overwhelming s
Deborah Harrell wrote:
>
> [Regarding the BJP:]
> > Really nasty people, propagating the most hateful of
> > ideas under the
> > guise of patriotism and national security. Its
> > sister organisations, the
> > RSS and the VHP, are equally bad.
>
> Golly, no similarities here in the US...
*g*
ROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:49:18
To:Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: RE: "Someone Must Tell Them"
> Ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Robert G. Seeberger
> > > Richard Baker wrote:
> > > One of the most striking things about the July 7
> Ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Deborah Harrell wrote:
> > Maybe Thomas Jefferson (IIRC) was on to something,
> but
> > I have to say that periodic revolutions seem too
> > damn bloody and messy to me.
>
> They would be, especially since anyone wanting to
> hang on to power quite
> that
> On Behalf Of Deborah Harrell
> these hypocrites, such as the Foley case, and even rabid
> rightists will see them for what they are: power-grabbing
> immoral elitists.
They are politicians...what else would they be? Right, left, they
are all hungry for power and all tha goes with it.
- jm
At 09:16 AM Thursday 10/5/2006, Horn, John wrote:
> On Behalf Of Deborah Harrell
> these hypocrites, such as the Foley case, and even rabid
> rightists will see them for what they are: power-grabbing
> immoral elitists.
They are politicians...what else would they be? Right, left, they
are all
> Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
> > Horn, John wrote:
> > > On Behalf Of Deborah Harrell
> > > these hypocrites, such as the Foley case, and
> even rabid
> > > rightists will see them for what they are:
> > >power-grabbing immoral elitists.
> >
> >They are politicians...what else would they be?
> Right
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is something I and others were saying in late 2001/early 2002.
> The panic from the world's most powerful people was baffling. It was
> like watching a giant weightlifter get bitten by a tiny ant and
> acting as if a shark ha
JDG wrote:
>
>> This is something I and others were saying in late 2001/early 2002.
>> The panic from the world's most powerful people was baffling. It was
>> like watching a giant weightlifter get bitten by a tiny ant and
>> acting as if a shark had taken his leg. Yes, it was a spectacular and
>>
On Nov 19, 2006, at 5:12 AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:
JDG wrote:
This is something I and others were saying in late 2001/early 2002.
The panic from the world's most powerful people was baffling. It was
like watching a giant weightlifter get bitten by a tiny ant and
acting as i
Dave Land wrote:
> To hear My Fellow Americans talk, it was nothing as harmless as a
> scorpion... They are pretty well convinced that it is a cone snail
> or a funnel-web spider -- something completely, rapidly and
> horrifyingly lethal.
Actually I'd characterize the reaction as our leadership i
At 07:03 PM Tuesday 11/21/2006, Dan Minette wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Richard Baker
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 4:13 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: "Someone Must Tell Them&
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "pencimen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Whereas some of us see that as a subset of the threat posed by
> > militant Islamic extremists in general. And while AQ staged the
> > most successful attack on US soil in Sep 2001, the threat is
> > worldwide.
>
> And still othe
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm all for bombing the crap out of bad guys and killers, and
showing
> > fools just exactly what they are.
> > It is kinda hard to do that when you cower in fear and/or harbor
> > illusions about what it is you fear.
> > But
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> When it becomes plain that the whole idea of terror is to scare
> someone, then a look at our *rhetorical* reactions shows that we are
> not stiffening our spines and holding our jaws up sufficiently.
And what happens when
At 09:58 PM Tuesday 11/21/2006, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "pencimen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Whereas some of us see that as a subset of the threat posed by
> > militant Islamic extremists in general. And while AQ staged the
> > most successful attack on US soil in Sep 2
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I think it is likely you missed a few.
> But even including a lot extra just for overkill, how many does that
> add up to?
> Compared to 300,000,000 Americans and 6,000,000,000 people worldwide.
> Looking at the numbers it
JDG wrote:
> > Why are so many Americans so afraid?
>
> This strikes me as classic "generational arrogance" - the old
> saw that *our generation* dealt with threats much more
> sensibly than the young'uns out there.
Only if you are viewing it from a purely American perspective and are
under th
JDG wrote:
> So, if I understand you correctly, your favored strategy in dealing
> with Al Qaeda would be to:
>
> -Withdraw immediately from Iraq
I'd give it six months, withdrawing gradually.
> -Cease all aid to Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia,
Kuwait, and the Persian Gulf State
JDG wrote:
> Sorry, but does anyone remember the red scare, McCarthyism, the
> missile gap, air raid drills in schools, backyard nuclear shelters,
> the Sputnik gap, "We Will Bury You", the domino theory, managed
> decline, etc.?
Yet throughout that period human rights advanced, transparency
Ronn! wrote:
> And should we conclude with all 300 million of us chanting in
> unison "There is no G-d but Allah and . . . "?
I'd just as soon we concluded there is no God, period, but I know
we're not mature enough for that.
Doug
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On 11/21/2006 10:10:09 PM, jdiebremse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > When it becomes plain that the whole idea of terror is to scare
> > someone, then a look at our *rhetorical* reactions shows that we
> > are
> > not sti
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From: "jdiebremse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED
On 22/11/2006, at 3:10 PM, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
When it becomes plain that the whole idea of terror is to scare
someone, then a look at our *rhetorical* reactions shows that we are
not stiffening our spines and holding our
On 22/11/2006, at 3:18 PM, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And so there are some f*ckers out there who have been responsible for
acts of terror causing the deaths of a few hundred people worldwide
on top of the WTC attacks.
I was going to
Charlie wrote:
> And compared to just about any other cause of death
> you can think of, terrorism is way way down the list.
This reminds me of an article I read this morning - international
travellers were polled and it turns out that most consider US to be the
'most unfriendly country', wor
Charlie Bell wrote:
On 22/11/2006, at 3:18 PM, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And so there are some f*ckers out there who have been responsible for
acts of terror causing the deaths of a few hundred people worldwide
on top of the WTC attac
Charlie said:
Actually, I do. And compared to just about any other cause of death
you can think of, terrorism is way way down the list. Like I've
said, the response is disproportionate to the risk.
The number of people who died from terrorism in the US in 2001 was
about the same as the nu
JDG said:
This strikes me as classic "generational arrogance" - the old saw that
*our generation* dealt with threats much more sensibly than the
young'uns out there.
I like to delude myself that I'm in the same generation as you, so
it's not generational arrogance on my part. Since I became
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Charlie Bell
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:58 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"
>
>
>
> But it isn't. T
Dan said:
I really don't see this. For example, with AQ, the evidence is that
they see
the lifestyle of the West as decadent and evil, and the dominance
of the
West to be anathema to the proper order of things.
My take is that the radical fringe of Islam is a sort of cargo cult.
I think t
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Richard Baker
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 4:30 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"
I appreciated your response, and will give
Rich wrote:
> Quite how we can convince people in the regions where the failure
> of the Islamic states is most total that the things they ought to
> be emulating from the glorious past of Islamic are openness to
> trade, toleration, meritocracy, egality, respect and encouragement
> for science a
On 23/11/2006, at 9:29 AM, Richard Baker wrote:
Quite how we can convince people in the regions where the failure
of the Islamic states is most total that the things they ought to
be emulating from the glorious past of Islamic are openness to
trade, toleration, meritocracy, egality, resp
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This strikes me as classic "generational arrogance" - the old
> > saw that *our generation* dealt with threats much more
> > sensibly than the young'uns out there.
>
> Only if you are viewing it from a purely American perspective and
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "pencimen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So, if I understand you correctly, your favored strategy in dealing
> > with Al Qaeda would be to:
> >
> > -Withdraw immediately from Iraq
>
> I'd give it six months, withdrawing gradually.
And would you still blame us for the
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> When it becomes plain that the whole idea of terror is to scare
> >> someone, then a look at our *rhetorical* reactions shows that we
are
> >> not stiffening our spines and holding our jaws up sufficiently.
> >
> > And what ha
JDG wrote:
> And the substance of his
> comments were that previous American generations dealt with
> their problems better/nobler/more courageously, etc. than the
> current generation.
Actually I saw no generational comparison. The earliest date we can put
on any reference of his in that mail
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "pencimen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sorry, but does anyone remember the red scare, McCarthyism, the
> > missile gap, air raid drills in schools, backyard nuclear shelters,
> > the Sputnik gap, "We Will Bury You", the domino theory, managed
> > decline, etc.?
>
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell charlie@ wrote:
> >> And so there are some f*ckers out there who have been responsible
for
> >> acts of terror causing the deaths of a few hundred people worldwide
> >> on top of the WTC a
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And compared to just about any other cause of death
> > you can think of, terrorism is way way down the list.
>
> This reminds me of an article I read this morning - international
> travellers were polled and it turns out that most c
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This strikes me as classic "generational arrogance" - the old saw
that
> > *our generation* dealt with threats much more sensibly than the
> > young'uns out there.
>
> I like to delude myself that I'm in the same generation as
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From: "jdiebremse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"
>This is where language can be imprecise. Torture can mean a number
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of jdiebremse
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 9:57 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"
>
>
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTE
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Dan Minette
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:00 PM
> To: 'Killer Bs Discussion'
> Subject: RE: "Someone Must Tell Them"
>
>
>
>
> I rem
On 26/11/2006, at 2:56 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
I don't think that we're writing checks to the Saudi government, but I
do believe that we provide military assistance. This assistance
obviously goes back to the first Gulf War, and is related to the fact
that it is Saudi supplies of oil that are
On 26/11/2006, at 2:58 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When it becomes plain that the whole idea of terror is to scare
someone, then a look at our *rhetorical* reactions shows that we
are
not stiffening our spines and holding our jaws
On 26/11/2006, at 3:15 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
This is where language can be imprecise. Torture can mean a
number of
things, such as cutting off digits. We're not sanctioning
that.We
are sanctioning certain practices, which many reasonable people
consider
to be torture - but which
On 26/11/2006, at 3:19 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell charlie@ wrote:
And so there are some f*ckers out there who have been responsible
for
acts of terror causing the deaths of a few hundred pe
On 11/25/06, Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, using this logic, because death from a bombing on an air craft
> is a
> statistically super-unlikely event, you would no doubt recommend
> removing *all* metal detectors and screeenings from airports, because
> the costs of these measur
On 26/11/2006, at 10:31 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On 11/25/06, Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, using this logic, because death from a bombing on an air craft
> is a
> statistically super-unlikely event, you would no doubt recommend
> removing *all* metal detectors and screeenings
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From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'"
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: "Someone Must Tell Them"
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EM
JDG wrote:
> I was about to write that this was yet another reason why the
> US is becoming more and more inclined to not count so-called
> "world opinion"
> as being worth much more than a hill of beans
I know *just* what you mean. I mean, all you guys have done is pass the
Military Comm
On 11/25/06, Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Which is what I said when I said " An overall deterrent to people
(not just terrorists) bringing dangerous items on planes is a good
thing for everyone, and it gives the *impression* that we're totally
safe."
It's not going to stop the real
On 11/25/06, jdiebremse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I was about to write that this was yet another reason why the US is
becoming more and more inclined to not count so-called "world opinion"
as being worth much more than a hill of beans
Yeah, this is a democracy, not the kind of country w
On 26/11/2006, at 4:12 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
'Twas my point.
Fair enough. :-)
Charlie
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At 05:13 PM Saturday 11/25/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
The security on planes is still a joke, really. Ceramic razors. Glass
bottles in the cabin. And you know that too. (Or maybe you don't.
Maybe you have no idea how easy it is to make weapons.)
A sharp 9H pencil, frex . . .
-- Ronn! :)
At 06:09 PM Saturday 11/25/2006, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'"
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: "Someone Must Tell Them"
>
On 26/11/2006, at 5:28 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 05:13 PM Saturday 11/25/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
The security on planes is still a joke, really. Ceramic razors. Glass
bottles in the cabin. And you know that too. (Or maybe you don't.
Maybe you have no idea how easy it is to make weapon
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From: "Ronn!Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"
> At 06:09 PM Saturday 11/25/2006, Robert Seeberger wrote:
>>
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 06:09 PM Saturday 11/25/2006, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'"
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: "Someone Must
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Robert Seeberger
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:10 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"
>
> - Original Message -
ovember 25, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: "Someone Must Tell Them"
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Dan Minette
>> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:00 PM
>> To: 'Killer Bs Di
> Richard Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(And let me add - wow, on your summary.)
> My take is that the radical fringe of Islam is a
> sort of cargo cult.
This made me think of J. Diamond's New Guinean frind's
question, wich relates to this:
> This is seen most clearly in the case of the
>
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There's no question that we are walking
> > right up to the line, and a decently strong case that we are
crossing
> > that line, but I'm not sure that any previous generation has
> > hestitated
> > to walk right up to the line
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > but I'd be curious
> > to see the methodology first. It probably was just an ill-designed
> > survey
>
> Well, I'll give you what information I have and you can see if you can
> hunt down the methodology. This is what the article
JDG asked:
> > "The survey, of 2,011 international travelers in 16 countries, was
> > conducted by RT Strategies, a Virginia-based polling firm, for the
> > Discover America Partnership, a group launched in September with
> > multimillion-dollar backing from a range of companies that
> include
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> JDG asked:
>
> > > "The survey, of 2,011 international travelers in 16 countries, was
> > > conducted by RT Strategies, a Virginia-based polling firm, for the
> > > Discover America Partnership, a group launched in September with
> >
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> Dan said:
>
> > I reall
Dan said much that was interesting including:
>> From the Roman side, I'm not sure why the final war was that
>> devastating. I
>>
> haven't read as much as you have about that era, but the decline
> and fall of
> the Byzantine empire was more tied to the Byzantine bureaucracy and
> the
> in
Richard Baker wrote:
>
> For the whole period of the Dominate, from the end of the troubled
> third century until the final war between Rome and Persia, the
> military strategy of the Romans was dominated by the Persian
> frontier. Even during the period of the fall of the western part of
Alberto said:
> Great message.
Thank you.
> But we all hear from the Roman's point of view. What was the
> Persian logic for keeping up a war against Rome? Did they see Rome
> as the heirs of Alexander and they wanted to take revenge?
I'm very aware of my bias towards the Romans in my readi
You know, this thread has been going for so long, and apparently I must have
missed a number of emails, so that I have NO idea how the discussion of
Roman/Parthian/Persian/Imperial Arab history came about. I wanted to comment
earlier but...eh...
Damon.
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Damon wrote:
I wanted to comment earlier but...eh...
Please, please do! Knowing your interest in (and extensive knowledge of) the
middle ages, your perspective is valuable to this fascinating discussion.
--
Doug
both feet, maru
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At 10:03 PM Thursday 12/21/2006, Damon Agretto wrote:
>You know, this thread has been going for so long, and apparently I must have
>missed a number of emails, so that I have NO idea how the discussion of
>Roman/Parthian/Persian/Imperial Arab history came about.
Neither do I. (I wasn't even awa
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