Jim Sharkey wrote:
>
> I'm sure some of you knew this, what with your big brains and all,
> but I found it interesting:
>
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=grass-makes-better-ethanol-than-corn
>
> _Scientific American_ is saying grass as a source of ethanol has the
> potential to be vastly more
Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:
> Jim Sharkey wrote:
>
>>I'm sure some of you knew this, what with your big brains and all,
>>but I found it interesting:
>>
>>http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=grass-makes-better-ethanol-than-corn
>>
>>_Scientific American_ is saying grass as a source o
On 1/10/2008 6:13:29 PM, Lance A. Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:
> > Jim Sharkey wrote:
> >
> >>I'm sure some of you knew this, what with your big brains and all,
> >>but I found it interesting:
> >>
> >>http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=grass-makes-be
On Thursday 2008-01-10 17:13, Lance A. Brown wrote:
> Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:
> > Jim Sharkey wrote:
> >>I'm sure some of you knew this, what with your big brains and all,
> >>but I found it interesting:
> >>
> >>http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=grass-makes-better-ethanol-than-co
At 06:13 PM Thursday 1/10/2008, Lance A. Brown wrote:
>Perhaps. The use of corn to produce ethanol is already driving the cost
>of corn higher, impacting food costs already[1]. I don't think we want
>to use corn _or_ sugarcane for producing ethanol in the long term.
[1] Karnack the Magnific
On 1/10/2008 11:09:29 PM, Ronn! Blankenship
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> At 06:13 PM Thursday 1/10/2008, Lance A. Brown wrote:
>
>
>
> >Perhaps. The use of corn to produce ethanol is already driving the
> >cost
> >of corn higher, impacting food costs already[1]. I
> don't think we want
> >to u
Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:
>Jim Sharkey wrote:
>>_Scientific American_ is saying grass as a source of ethanol has the
>> potential to be vastly more efficient than corn. Pretty cool
>>stuff, I think.
>But still less efficient than sugarcane :-P
Probably true, but I'd wager grass i
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Jim Sharkey wrote:
>
> Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:
>> Jim Sharkey wrote:
>>> _Scientific American_ is saying grass as a source of ethanol has the
>>> potential to be vastly more efficient than corn. Pretty cool
>>> stuff, I think.
>
>> But still less efficient t
Robert Seeberger said the following on 1/10/2008 8:56 PM:
> The problem with corn is that it produces a lower energy ethanol.
> Sugarcane *is* much better in that regard.
> But why are you worried about sugarcane? We don't use it all that much
> in the US, even for making sugar. Last I heard, sug
On 11/01/2008, at 10:39 AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:
> Jim Sharkey wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure some of you knew this, what with your big brains and all,
>> but I found it interesting:
>>
>> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=grass-makes-better-ethanol-than-corn
>>
>> _Scientific America
Lance A. Brown wrote:
>
>> The problem with corn is that it produces a lower energy ethanol.
>> Sugarcane *is* much better in that regard.
>> But why are you worried about sugarcane? We don't use it all that much
>> in the US, even for making sugar. Last I heard, sugar beets was the
>> big resou
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>>Unused land suitable for corn or sugarcane?
>>
>
> You didn't parse my e-mail address. Do it now.
> There's plenty of suitable land for sugarcane here... :-)
Yer right. I didn't. Assumption has once again worked against me. :-)
--[Lance]
--
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At 01:04 PM Friday 1/11/2008, Jim Sharkey wrote:
>Lance A. Brown wrote:
> >Being able to grow switchgrass on marginal land not suitable for
> >other, more traditional, crops is one of its benefits.
>
>To me that certainly seems like one of its biggest benefits. It's
>grass; it doesn't require nea
Lance A. Brown wrote:
>
>> This is not necessarily true - if there's unused land and
>> the new crop grows into that land, then this would have no positive
>> impact in the food price. The reverse would even be more likely,
>> since if it becomes not viable to turn the food crop into fuel,
>> the
Lance A. Brown wrote:
>Being able to grow switchgrass on marginal land not suitable for
>other, more traditional, crops is one of its benefits.
To me that certainly seems like one of its biggest benefits. It's
grass; it doesn't require nearly the same kind of care that more
traditional food cr
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> This is not necessarily true - if there's unused land and
> the new crop grows into that land, then this would have no positive
> impact in the food price. The reverse would even be more likely,
> since if it becomes not viable to turn the food crop into fuel,
> the new cr
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
>I, too, have issues with all those cellulouses who yakity-yak >constantly,
>oblivious of where they are driving . . .
Hang up and ferment, you cellulouses! We're having an energy crisis
here!
Oh, the costs of an extra "u." :-(
Jim
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Jim Sharkey wrote:
>
> Lance A. Brown wrote:
>> Being able to grow switchgrass on marginal land not suitable for
>> other, more traditional, crops is one of its benefits.
>
> To me that certainly seems like one of its biggest benefits. It's
> grass; it doesn't require nearl
On Friday 2008-01-11 12:04, Jim Sharkey wrote:
> Lance A. Brown wrote:
> >Being able to grow switchgrass on marginal land not suitable for
> >other, more traditional, crops is one of its benefits.
>
> To me that certainly seems like one of its biggest benefits. It's
> grass; it doesn't require nea
On Friday 2008-01-11 12:04, Jim Sharkey wrote:
> Lance A. Brown wrote:
> >Being able to grow switchgrass on marginal land not suitable for
> >other, more traditional, crops is one of its benefits.
>
> To me that certainly seems like one of its biggest benefits. It's
> grass; it doesn't require nea
Trent Shipley wrote:
> How much private land is there that could be converted from lower yield to
> cellulose production? Could ex-farms on the Montana and Dakota prairies be
> put back into production as cellulose ranches? (In AZ we can grow agave on
> some private ranch land.)
I dunno. We
At 02:16 PM Friday 1/11/2008, Jim Sharkey wrote:
>Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> >I, too, have issues with all those cellulouses who
> yakity-yak >constantly, oblivious of where they are driving . . .
>
>Hang up and ferment, you cellulouses! We're having an energy crisis
>here!
>
>Oh, the costs of a
On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> Lance A. Brown wrote:
>>
>>> This is not necessarily true - if there's unused land and the new
>>> crop
>>> grows into that land, then this would have no positive impact in the
>>> food price. The reverse would even be more likely, since if
On 12/01/2008, at 6:10 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>>
> You didn't parse my e-mail address. Do it now.
> There's plenty of suitable land for sugarcane here... :-)
Hasn't it got rainforest on it?
Charlie
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On 12 Jan 2008, at 00:10, Dave Land wrote:
> On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>
>> Lance A. Brown wrote:
>>>
This is not necessarily true - if there's unused land and the new
crop
grows into that land, then this would have no positive impact in
the
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> Behalf Of Jim Sharkey
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> To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
> Subject: Take that, Iowa!!
>
>
> I'm sure some of you knew this, what with your big brains and all,
> but I found it
Dave Land wrote:
>
>> You didn't parse my e-mail address. Do it now.
>> There's plenty of suitable land for sugarcane here... :-)
>
> Sure, and if it's not already cleared for planting, I'm sure you folks
> can figure out how to slash and burn a couple of million square miles of
> the planet's lung
Charlie Bell wrote:
>
>> You didn't parse my e-mail address. Do it now.
>> There's plenty of suitable land for sugarcane here... :-)
>
> Hasn't it got rainforest on it?
>
No, the rainforest is 1000 km away from the sugercane area.
Check...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Brazil
... nam
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>> -Original Message-
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On 1/10/08, Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 1/10/2008 6:13:29 PM, Lance A. Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Perhaps. The use of corn to produce ethanol is already driving the
> > cost
> > of corn higher, impacting food costs already[1]. I don't
> > think we want
> > to use
Julia Thompson wrote:
>1) Where do you order Dublin Dr. Pepper?
I just order it from here:
http://www.dublindrpepper.com/
>2) Mexican Coke.
I've heard its praises sung before, but I'm in NJ, so...
>Some high-end US soda bottlers are making their stuff with cane
>sugar.
They did an article
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