Re: Human Sacrifices Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-19 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:05 PM 1/18/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote: Judges 11:31 - 40. Virgin Burnt Offering. I'm glad to know that you put such stock in The Bible to believe everything you read. If I didn't know better, I'd say that The Fool is becoming a Christian on us. :-) 30 Jephthah made a vow to the

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-18 Thread Reggie Bautista
William T Goodall wrote: I thought Lucifer was part of the Christian pantheon anyway, so they all worship Lucifer. That and the blood-drinking and the human sacrifice... Please keep your facts straight. The human sacrifice was a one-time thing. Perhaps you meant to refer to the ritualized

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-18 Thread The Fool
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] William T Goodall wrote: I thought Lucifer was part of the Christian pantheon anyway, so they all worship Lucifer. That and the blood-drinking and the human sacrifice... Please keep your facts straight. The human sacrifice was a one-time thing.

Human Sacrifices [was: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official]

2004-01-18 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: Judges 11:31 - 40. Virgin Burnt Offering. And it's not something that is praised by the guy who wrote that book Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-14 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Tom Beck wrote: Saddam Hussein is a monster, and I'm glad he's gone, but there are monsters in China and Syria and North Korea and Cuba and Libya - why don't we go after them? First, these monsters have different hid dice: Saddam might be the worst of them _by far_. [some of them are quite

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-14 Thread Alberto Monteiro
William T Goodall wrote: I thought Lucifer was part of the Christian pantheon anyway, so they all worship Lucifer. That and the blood-drinking and the human sacrifice... serious No, it's not. Lucifer means something like carrier of light, and it came from the Latin translation of the

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-14 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Beck wrote: Saddam Hussein is a monster, and I'm glad he's gone, but there are monsters in China and Syria and North Korea and Cuba and Libya - why don't we go after them? First, these monsters have different hid dice: Saddam might

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-13 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:32 PM 1/12/2004 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/12/2004 7:31:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lastly, what is so wrong with the Bush Administration saying that we believe that we should invade Iraq for reasons A, B, C, D, E, and F. but we

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-13 Thread The Fool
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:32 PM 1/12/2004 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/12/2004 7:31:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lastly, what is so wrong with the Bush Administration saying that we believe that we should invade Iraq

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-13 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 04:03 AM 1/13/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote: Well one reason is that it is dishonest not to state your real intentions. But when you true intentions include taking away arguments Al Qaeda uses in recruitment videos - isn't emphasizing other reason - reasons you nevertheless also

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-13 Thread The Fool
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:03 AM 1/13/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote: Well one reason is that it is dishonest not to state your real intentions. But when you true intentions include taking away arguments Al Qaeda uses in recruitment videos - isn't emphasizing other

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
A correction: I wrote: What's wrong with it is that the U.S. is a democratic republic, meaning the government requires the consent of the government especially as it ^^ should be

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-13 Thread TomFODW
My real problem with any attempt to defend the fact that Bush came into office determined to get rid of Saddam by saying the reason was to bring about regime change, save the people from Iraq, and be nicey was, during the 2000 campaign, Bush repeatedly derided the very idea of nation-building

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-13 Thread William T Goodall
On 13 Jan 2004, at 10:03 am, The Fool wrote: A 'moral duty' to Lie to the american people to foment wars of agression? One has to wonder which god this president serves. It appears he prefers Lucifer. I thought Lucifer was part of the Christian pantheon anyway, so they all worship Lucifer.

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-12 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:23 PM 1/11/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: John wrote: If you go back and look at almost any major speech on the subject by the Bush Administration, you will not find the case presented as you did above. Sorry, John, this is completely revisionist. I posted a URL to Colin Powell's

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-12 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 1/12/2004 7:31:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lastly, what is so wrong with the Bush Administration saying that we believe that we should invade Iraq for reasons A, B, C, D, E, and F. but we recognize that reason D is a bit complex/disputed, and

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-11 Thread TomFODW
And there are plans for invading N Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Japan, Columbia, New Zealand, Spain, Canada..any country you want. It's what the military does. Plans in the Pentagon are not the same thing as plans in the White House. I think the point is not that the Defense Dept. was

Not Bush2 (Was Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official)

2004-01-11 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2004-01-11 00:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plans in the Pentagon are not the same thing as plans in the White House. I think the point is not that the Defense Dept. was doing its job but that the newly installed Bush administration was thinking about invading Iraq months before Sept.

Re: Not Bush2 (Was Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official)

2004-01-11 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 12:55:12AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: I like Thomas Friedman's idea that GW Bush's presidency is *NOT* Bush II, but Reagan III, or even better, Regan Squared. Regan made Goldwater look moderate, the W Bush administration makes Regan look moderate

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-11 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/printable592330.shtml From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go, he tells Stahl. For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S.

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-11 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 05:42 PM 1/11/2004 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote: So, is this a disgruntled employee snapping at the folks who fired him? Or is this former member of the Nixon and Ford admins blowing a whistle for good reason? I think almost certainly the former. The piece opens with O'Neill criticizing the

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-11 Thread TomFODW
At any rate, who cares about this stuff?    About the most damning claim O'Neill has is that Bush actually had far more pre-planning for the war in Iraq than we have previously none.   So, we are going to pillory Bush for planning ahead? Um...well...considering that he never mentioned any

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-11 Thread Deborah Harrell
John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: So, is this a disgruntled employee snapping at the folks who fired him? Or is this former member of the Nixon and Ford admins blowing a whistle for good reason? I think almost certainly the former. grin I daresay I have

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-11 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:14 PM 1/11/2004 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um...well...considering that he never mentioned any of this at any point, and that the reasons he's given for invading Iraq have turned out not to be the case (no WMD, no real Al Qaeda connection, no responsibility for 9-11) - doesn't it bother

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-11 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: If you go back and look at almost any major speech on the subject by the Bush Administration, you will not find the case presented as you did above. Sorry, John, this is completely revisionist. I posted a URL to Colin Powell's speech to the U.N. several months back while

Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-10 Thread The Fool
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/printable592330.shtm l From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go, he tells Stahl. For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we

Re: Shrub's Conspiracy to Invade Iraq Revealed by Ex-Admin Official

2004-01-10 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 03:16 PM 1/10/2004, you wrote: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/printable592330.shtm l From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go, he tells Stahl. For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the