Re: Have you ever seen anything like this?

2024-05-06 Thread Murat K
On 5/5/2024 10:54 AM, Philippe Michel wrote: On Fri, May 03, 2024 at 04:21:51AM -0600, Murat K wrote: I just remembered that someone had asked not so long ago about the possibility of saving the moves during rollouts and I had inquired about why he was wanting to do that. Let me start

Re: Have you ever seen anything like this?

2024-05-03 Thread Murat K
On 5/2/2024 2:20 PM, Philippe Michel wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2024 at 05:31:02PM -0600, Murat K wrote: [...] Could this kind of bizarre games have been happening in rollouts for all those years without anyone noticing? I suppose they do happen, but . I just remembered that someone had

Re: Have you ever seen anything like this?

2024-05-02 Thread Murat K
On 5/2/2024 2:20 PM, Philippe Michel wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2024 at 05:31:02PM -0600, Murat K wrote: [...] Could this kind of bizarre games have been happening in rollouts for all those years without anyone noticing? And if so, what would the implication of that would be?? I suppose

Re: Have you ever seen anything like this?

2024-05-01 Thread Murat K
On 4/27/2024 2:49 PM, Philippe Michel wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 06:04:50PM -0600, Murat K wrote: I posted an article including pretty images of some positions on: https://www.bgonline.org/forums/webbbs_config.pl?read=213189 There have been a few more posts about this in that forum

Have you ever seen anything like this?

2024-04-26 Thread Murat K
I posted an article including pretty images of some positions on: https://www.bgonline.org/forums/webbbs_config.pl?read=213189 Please read it there and then feel free to post replies here if you prefer also. It may not be a bug by definition but it's about GnuBG, involving a very strange game

Re: Preview of forthcoming gnubg release

2024-04-21 Thread Murat K
On 4/21/2024 7:54 AM, Philippe Michel wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 01:55:05AM -0600, Murat K wrote: It looks like most releases for many years (even decades) offered only GUI improvements and bug fixes. Can you tell me when was the last release that actually offered stronger play

Re: What is "15", "Unknown cube decision"?

2024-04-21 Thread Murat K
On 4/21/2024 9:51 AM, Philippe Michel wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 04:47:31PM -0600, Murat K wrote: Since I have been running experiments using my Python scripts that I have shared on my web page, every now and then I get the "unknown cube decision" error when I call the "g

Re: Preview of forthcoming gnubg release

2024-04-19 Thread Murat K
It looks like most releases for many years (even decades) offered only GUI improvements and bug fixes. Can you tell me when was the last release that actually offered stronger play? I have pretty much all past releases of GnuBG and I could figure it out the hard way if I had to but perhaps you

Re: Mutant cube skills; Two birds in the bush better than one in the hand?

2024-04-12 Thread Murat K
On 4/11/2024 11:08 AM, Ian Shaw wrote: I think Isaac is right. Let's just continue this as private correspondence. We are way off the topic of gnubg. If we discover something useful, we can present it to the group as a suggestion for improvement. I disagree but I'm not going to impose myself

What is "15", "Unknown cube decision"?

2024-04-12 Thread Murat K
On 4/11/2024 3:26 AM, Isaac Keslassy wrote: > Your discussion is getting far from gnubg bugs, and > causing people to unsubscribe the list. Any chance > you can take it private? Thanks. You must be one of the owner of this forum? Since my intention is not merely to disturb comfortably numb

Cubeful and matchful training a BG bot

2024-04-10 Thread Murat K
Hi Ian, Since this specific subject also strayed from the value of cube ownership, I'll do the same with it by creating a new thread and posting it also to RGB and Bgonline. My response to you is below the quoted posts. > - > *From:* MK >

Mutant cube skills; Two birds in the bush better than one in the hand?

2024-04-10 Thread Murat K
Hi Ian, On the one hand, since nobody else in this forum negates, nor even adds anything to support your arguments, I feel that I'm debating with a spokesperson for the group, but on the other hand I feel that our ideas don't attain their full potential. With this thread having become too long

Re: question

2024-04-03 Thread Murat K
On 4/2/2024 5:39 PM, Max S wrote: HI Am I able to import a file of a position, match score etc and you would return the XG analysis to me? If I understand correctly that you want to post here a GnuBG ID, (i.e. position + match ID), and want someone to post the XG analysis, I will do it for you

Backgammon "starting position" and how GnuBG handles it.

2024-03-19 Thread Murat K
On 3/16/2024 6:15 PM, Ian Shaw via "Bug reports for and general discussion about GNU Backgammon. wrote: You wrote "Not the "equity" but the "equity difference" between the "from" position and the "to" position." I said that because you had written: "The Contact Net does not have an input for

Re: Interesting question/experiment about value of cube ownership

2024-03-18 Thread Murat K
On 3/16/2024 6:15 PM, Ian Shaw via wrote: As this thread became more about the starting position than the original subject, I will branch out a separate thread for that and only reply to the cube issue in this one. Knowing the absolute equity is only useful for cube actions, and since the

Re: Problems with gnubg's saved settings

2024-02-11 Thread Murat K
On 2/11/2024 2:08 PM, Philippe Michel wrote: It replaced my gnubgautorc with a default file. I installed it on another computer to make sure. It did the same thing. Is this intentional? What is the fix to use my previous settings?? I had never installed 1_08_dev-20240103. I tried it and it

Re: GNUbg version 1.08.001 available

2024-02-10 Thread Murat K
On 2/9/2024 10:59 PM, Murat K wrote: It replaced my gnubgautorc with a default file. I installed it on another computer to make sure. It did the same thing. Is this intentional? What is the fix to use my previous settings?? I had never installed 1_08_dev-20240103. I tried it and it does

Re: GNUbg version 1.08.001 available

2024-02-09 Thread Murat K
On 2/6/2024 12:12 AM, Philippe Michel wrote: A new version of GNUbg is available at https://www.gnu.org/software/gnubg/ with the following improvements or new features since the previous version. It replaced my gnubgautorc with a default file. I installed it on another computer to make sure.

Re: GNU backgammon - random starting point?

2023-12-01 Thread Murat K
On 12/1/2023 8:54 AM, Ian Shaw via "Bug reports for and general discussion about GNU Backgammon. wrote: The interactive rollout is a nice idea. Would it be too hard to add the human player into the skill settings for both players. I think "interactive rollouts" will be very useful also but

Re: GNU backgammon - random starting point?

2023-12-01 Thread Murat K
On 11/30/2023 2:06 PM, Philippe Michel wrote: What would be interesting and provide this feature in a much cleaner way would be to implement something similar to Jellyfish's interactive rollouts. It may not be that easy to modify the current rollout code to have the human player handling one

Re: New backgammon engine: wildbg

2023-12-01 Thread Murat K
On 11/22/2023 5:05 AM, Carsten Wenderdel wrote: As far as I know TD-Gammon was initially trained through random cubeless, matchless, (even backgammonless) self-play; that is only single games with 1 and 2 point wins. Is this how you are training your bot? Only the neural net inputs are