Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Chris Hartjes
On 1/28/07, Bernard Grosperrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a pretty typical (and kinda sad) answer from someone with no real sql/ database background, and happy with MySQL, which just recently, (version 5) realised that Views, stored procedures, triggers, etc are MANDATORY in any serious

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Bernard Grosperrin
Chris You're probably right that 9+ years of exposure to MySQL, Postgres and some Oracle mixed in there as well gives me no real sql/database background. Exposure? Sorry, what do that mean? I have been exposed to the sun, quite a bit, that did not give me any specific insider

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut
You can ban me from this list, I have no problem with that. But about arrogance, check yourself in a mirror. No one will be banned from the list unless I do it, and that happens only when I feel someone has pushed me to do it. -- /** * @author Larry E. Masters * @var string $userName *

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Bernard Grosperrin
AD7six wrote: How about just using the method rawQuery (or whichever is the lowest common-denominator model query method)? Don't know, I am not a specialist in Cake, but so far I have been unable to create a controller on a view (backend view, I mean). And I have not tried either to have

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut
Exposure? Sorry, what do that mean? I have been exposed to the sun, quite a bit, that did not give me any specific insider informations about how it works... Never used views, he? How many databases have you DESIGNED, from scratch? How many times have you been chief of a project, responsible

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Bernard Grosperrin
Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut wrote: No one will be banned from the list unless I do it, and that happens only when I feel someone has pushed me to do it. Thanks you. Bernard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Bernard Grosperrin
Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut wrote Get this thread back on topic or I will close it OK, sorry. Bernard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Chris Hartjes
On 1/29/07, Bernard Grosperrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris You're probably right that 9+ years of exposure to MySQL, Postgres and some Oracle mixed in there as well gives me no real sql/database background. Exposure? Sorry, what do that mean? I have been exposed to the sun, quite

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Bernard Grosperrin
Chris Um, I never said I was a DBA or looking to work as a DBA. I've never been discounted from a position as a developer because I didn't know what a view was or how to use it. And on top of it, you continue to be incredibly rude towards me. Your little joke about exposure to the sun is a

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Bernard Grosperrin
Jeff Be warned that you have to be explicitly clear in aliasing your complex queries, or Cake will not know what to do. SELECT User.first_name, User.last_name FROM users User If you're using SQL functions, don't forget to alias those as well... The aliases are the foundation to RDBMS -

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Bernard Grosperrin
ralph And Bernard, I actually enjoy admitting that I don't understand everything. That gives me a chance to learn something new. Learning is one of the greatest pleasures in my life, and I would feel deprived without it. As a result, I have a powerful and continuing need for significant

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Bernard Grosperrin
Samuel DeVore wrote: I wonder if some kind of model extension could be proposed by people who are deeply involved in the use of views in their database environments, one that could create a mapping from what a view returns to what it would equate to in cakephp constructed style model queries.

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-29 Thread Samuel DeVore
Mostly I was thinking that the issue is more of a translation tables that passes what you know about how an existing view returns the data that can enable Cake to map it into what it needs to deal with the data in the Cake types of structure. Since inevitably there will be many 'views' that were

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-28 Thread Bernard Grosperrin
Chris I have never used an SQL view and would love to see a real-world example of when a view should be used over, say, the CakePHP model combined with associations. That's a pretty typical (and kinda sad) answer from someone with no real sql/ database background, and happy with MySQL,

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-28 Thread Kaste
That's a pretty typical (and kinda sad) answer from someone with no real sql/ database background, and happy with MySQL, which just recently, (version 5) realised that Views, stored procedures, triggers, etc are MANDATORY in any serious database engine.( I use Postgresql exclusively with

Re: [professionel] Re: Cake is breaking database views. This looks like a bug.

2007-01-28 Thread Bernard Grosperrin
Kaste when you dont need the modelling-features of a framework because it duplicates your fine SQL-code and you only see a need for the VC of the MVC probably switch to CodeIgniter and query your views and execute your procedures and do the validation in the controller. I have been