Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-12 Thread Jonathan Snook
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Gwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But since we have the component in the core, it's > not going anywhere, and we are not going to include 3rd party > libraries, can we do something to match those features without > bloating Cake. My goal is for the Email component

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-12 Thread Gwoo
On Jun 12, 8:22 am, "Jonathan Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would disagree with your assessment of the conversation. Good. > We're debating two key issues: > > 1. The quality and features of the email component as it stands today; and >From the messages I read it was clear the current

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-12 Thread Jonathan Snook
> I have to say this thread is a little disappointing. Not because it > takes a direct stab at knocking the code in the core, but rather that > it shows a spirit that is more about "taking" than it is about > "giving". I would disagree with your assessment of the conversation. We're debating two

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-12 Thread BrendonKoz
I personally didn't mean any ill-will. When I first learned about CakePHP, version 1.1 was the only option. I intended to use Cake in the future. In the mean time, I knew I'd need to use email (as Jonothan Snook already stated) and the vendor() function (of 1.1) would have worked flawlessly for

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-12 Thread Gwoo
I have to say this thread is a little disappointing. Not because it takes a direct stab at knocking the code in the core, but rather that it shows a spirit that is more about "taking" than it is about "giving". I will never be ashamed to admit that something inside of Cake is not perfect. The poin

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-12 Thread Jonathan Snook
> I suppose the book is being fair when it says "There is a lot that it > doesn't do for you but it will get you started." Hmm, more like get > you frustrated and ready to move on to a fully-featured working > library. I will propose a 'diplomatic' amendment to the book. I understand why you w

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-12 Thread villas
Hi Stephen, phpMailer and SwiftMail are both LGPL and ZF is Open BSD, so I don't think it's really an issue for most users. In any case, if licensing was the problem, why not put a clear 'alert' label on the Cake component informing everyone that it only really exists for licensing reasons. T

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-12 Thread Stephen Orr
I think the thinking is that, by not including external solutions wherever possible, it keeps the licensing clean, making it easier for bigger companies to adopt for their own projects. The trouble with including most external libraries is that they're GPLed, which tends to mean that the entire so

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-11 Thread villas
Same here. I struggled with the Cake component but then put my trusty phpMailer in vendors and bingo, my emails were soon flying again. I now cannot see the point in Cake developers spending their time on this Email component when there are such robust, fully-featured solutions available to be '

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-10 Thread ianmcn
While waiting for replys to this, I tried using the Pear mail script as a Vendor and got it working within about 30 seconds! Thanks for the replies, they have confirmed that it's probably best for now to stick with a more mature mail system. On Jun 10, 3:09 pm, BrendonKoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-10 Thread BrendonKoz
You could also use the Zend framework's email classes as a vendor if need be. Before the Cake email component was created, that was what my original plan was for sending email. There are plenty of tutorials on using the Zend Framework's email class. (Don't think of the Zend Framework as a compe

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-10 Thread Jonathan Snook
> I am trying to use the new email component in cake 1.2, but am having > problems using it with an authenticated SMTP server. I am getting the > following error: > 503 5.5.2 Send hello first Not to knock the core developers but the email component still needs some work, especially in support for

Re: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-10 Thread Smelly_Eddie
Why not just use an email component? \n"; $headers .= 'X-Sender: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\n'; $headers .= 'X-Mailer: PHP\n'; $headers .= "Reply-To: ".$f_name." <".$f_email.">\n\n"; // Mail it

503 5.5.2 Send hello first (email component)

2008-06-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi All I am trying to use the new email component in cake 1.2, but am having problems using it with an authenticated SMTP server. I am getting the following error: 503 5.5.2 Send hello first How would I send the Hello using the component? FYI I can use Pear's email script on the same SMTP server