Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread ben kuin
hi erik, I highly appreciate your blog, so it hurts me a little but - I disagree: > The only evidence to support this is the widespead usage of > Java and C#, but I think that is a language choice rather than > a conscious decision to use a language that runs on a VM. > > People chose Java and C#

Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Sat, 5/15/10, ben kuin wrote: > >> What if ocamlopt would be dropped for a faster > ocaml vm? > > > > Why? Even if the Ocaml was able to target a faster VM, > there > > are still many people who would chose to generate > native > > binaries. > > I'd call that a questionable decision. As f

[Caml-list] Re: [ANN] Camomile 0.7.3

2010-05-15 Thread Yoriyuki Yamagata
2010/5/14 Sylvain Le Gall > I have just compared libcamomile-ocaml-data and locales-all packages. > The two packages contain almost the same thing: > http://packages.debian.org/sid/libcamomile-ocaml-data > http://packages.debian.org/sid/locales-all > > Character mapping tables are same to that of

Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Vincent Aravantinos
Le 15 mai 10 à 11:45, ben kuin a écrit : What if ocamlopt would be dropped for a faster ocaml vm? Why? Even if the Ocaml was able to target a faster VM, there are still many people who would chose to generate native binaries. I'd call that a questionable decision. As far as I know, using na

[Caml-list] the list archives

2010-05-15 Thread Stanisław T. Findeisen
Could the link to the archives be fixed? This: > Archives: http://caml.inria.fr is not quite accurate. What about Google archives? Here: http://caml.inria.fr/resources/forums.en.html is the link, the link is: http://groups.google.com/groups?group=fa.caml but it doesn't work ("temporary error" bu

Re: [Caml-list] the list archives

2010-05-15 Thread Paolo Donadeo
While the "NaN issue" in the mailing list archives is not a good advertising for OCaml ;-), you can still access the old posts using Google Groups at this address: http://groups.google.com/group/fa.caml/topics It's always up to date. -- Paolo ___ Ca

Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread ben kuin
> If yes it seems this has not been a big showstopper to Windows apps err what?? On what planet do you live? It must be a nice place :-) COM components ( to encapsulate the abi ) DLL hell ( never heard of that? com registration) STL ( taming the abi) CORBA ( to talk between incompatible libraries

Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
ben kuin writes: > hi erik, > I highly appreciate your blog, so it hurts me a little but - I disagree: > >> The only evidence to support this is the widespead usage of >> Java and C#, but I think that is a language choice rather than >> a conscious decision to use a language that runs on a VM. >>

[Caml-list] pelican3d.com now links to you

2010-05-15 Thread Rob Stout
Dear Inria, I have visited your site and I think that the free 3d objects content could be of interest to our web site visitors. I have already placed a link to your site along with a description at "http://www.pelican3d.com/website/links3.html";. If you want the description of your site modif

RE: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Jon Harrop
Goswin wrote: > Hardly any business today has an inhomogene environment. And if the > environment is homogene then the vm gives you 0 advantage. It just > costs you overhead to emulate. A Common Language Runtime (CLR) is an obvious counter example => the shared VM gives you safe and high-level int

RE: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Jon Harrop
Raoul Duke wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:59 AM, ben kuin wrote: > > but that would be the big benefit of a clr like vm: It doesn't matter > > how messed up, chaotic or just heterogen the environment is as long > > as you can count on a regular execution of your portable bytecode. > > of cou

Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
ben kuin wrote: > English is not my first language, maybe I misunderstand, but what > you're are saying here sound like a complete contradiction to me: > Like you say C and C++ are considered as 'unsafe' languages. Yes. One can't really program in those languages without using pointers and manual

Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
ben kuin wrote: > > If yes it seems this has not been a big showstopper to Windows apps > > err what?? On what planet do you live? It must be a nice place :-) I would say it hasn't been a big problem on Windows because people are still using windows. Furthermore, how many of the programs that Mi

Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Jon Harrop wrote: > Not really. Windows supports a far wider variety of hardware than Linux and Oh really? I have a three machine here: a) A Dual PowerPC G5 Apple Mac. b) A SUN ultra-sparc X1. c) One of the early Cobalt Qube machines with a MIPS CPU. All of these run Debian. Can windows

Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread ben kuin
> Microsoft was your saviour because Microsoft caused all your problems > in the first place. Ok, the topic here is personal and office computing. I mean cubical drones who are not allowed to used right mouse button? Consultants and their 20 MB powerpoints? Middle management assholes with the port

RE: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Jon Harrop
Erik wrote: > Jon Harrop wrote: > > Not really. Windows supports a far wider variety of hardware than > > Linux and > > Oh really? Yes, really. > I have a three machine here: > > a) A Dual PowerPC G5 Apple Mac. > b) A SUN ultra-sparc X1. > c) One of the early Cobalt Qube machines with a M

Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jon Harrop writes: > Goswin wrote: >> Hardly any business today has an inhomogene environment. And if the >> environment is homogene then the vm gives you 0 advantage. It just >> costs you overhead to emulate. > > A Common Language Runtime (CLR) is an obvious counter example => the shared > VM gi

Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jon Harrop writes: > Erik wrote: >> Jon Harrop wrote: >> > Not really. Windows supports a far wider variety of hardware than >> > Linux and >> >> Oh really? > > Yes, really. > >> I have a three machine here: >> >> a) A Dual PowerPC G5 Apple Mac. >> b) A SUN ultra-sparc X1. >> c) One of th

Re: [Caml-list] about OcamIL

2010-05-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Erik de Castro Lopo writes: > ben kuin wrote: >> If you really want to torture a developer, these is the best toolset >> you get. > > You have to be kidding me. I personally think the Microsoft development > tools are completely horrible. That is what he said. That toolset is the best to *tortur