Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-03-04 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
[ Disclaimer: IANAL, but I've been within Debian on several copyright / licensing issues like this one. What I contribute below descends only from that---potentially limited---experience. ] On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:59:12PM -0800, Tim Rentsch wrote: If Jason's current manuscript

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-03-04 Thread Ed Keith
...@ffconsultancy.com Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch) To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:29 PM -Inline Attachment Follows- On Monday 02 March 2009 18:37:41 Xavier Leroy wrote: Overall, I can't help

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-03-04 Thread Jason Hickey
To the OCaml community, I apologize for my silence. I have very strong feelings for this community. I have benefited quite profoundly from Caml (starting when I first wrote Metaprl in caml-light), and I wish to continue my role as an advocate, supporter, and instructor. Before I can say

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-03-03 Thread Tim Rentsch
Alexy -- thank you for the reply, I appreciate hearing your thoughts on the situation. Before you completely make up your mind I would like to offer some other perspectives to consider. It's a given that Jason had more OCaml background and experience than I did, especially at the beginning of

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-03-03 Thread Tim Rentsch
Coming back to the Hickey/Rentsch book(s), I feel deeply sad about the mess that is unfolding on this list. I proofread a draft of Jason Hickey's book, at his request, and found it very good and just what the OCaml community is still missing: a well-written, English-language book on

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-03-02 Thread Tim Rentsch
Caml-list readers, I've now had an opportunity to catch up on the caml-list emails over the last month or so, and review those relating to my book The Objective Caml Programming Language. I see there's been a lot a speculation about what happened. To help clear things up, I've written a more

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-03-02 Thread Alexy Khrabrov
Tim -- thanks for clarification. I've bought the book at once when I saw it announced here, but now have second thoughts. From what you describe, it's clear to me that Jason is the originator of the book and you did the auxiliary tasks. Noe amount of calling up publishers can substitute

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-03-02 Thread Xavier Leroy
Overall, I can't help seeing that any author who isn't known on this list ends up with a questionable book -- first Smith and now Rentsch. Perhaps the elders should form a book vetting committee? Well, the power to decide is in the hands of publishers (initially) and customers (later). But I

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-03-02 Thread Jon Harrop
On Monday 02 March 2009 18:37:41 Xavier Leroy wrote: Overall, I can't help seeing that any author who isn't known on this list ends up with a questionable book -- first Smith and now Rentsch. Perhaps the elders should form a book vetting committee? Well, the power to decide is in the hands

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-02-28 Thread Jon Harrop
On Friday 27 February 2009 21:34:35 Jon Harrop wrote: Oh dear. Then I am very sorry to tell you that Tim Rentsch's book is virtually identical to your own, having been tweaked just enough to evade copyright. Actually the later chapters (about a third of the main text) are entirely different.

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-02-28 Thread Tim Rentsch
] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch) From: Jason Hickey j...@cs.caltech.edu To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Richard, Thank you for pointing this out, I was unaware of this book. My book on OCaml (currently circulating as an online pdf) is under

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-02-27 Thread Nathaniel Gray
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Richard Jones r...@annexia.org wrote: I previously mentioned this book on the list and said that I'd been promised a review copy from the publisher: http://www.amazon.com/Objective-Caml-Programming-Language/dp/0981599206 I received the review copy from

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Jones
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 09:37:05AM -0800, Nathaniel Gray wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Richard Jones r...@annexia.org wrote: I previously mentioned this book on the list and said that I'd been promised a review copy from the publisher:

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-02-27 Thread Nathaniel Gray
Sorry, this was meant to go to the list as well: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Nathaniel Gray n8g...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Richard Jones r...@annexia.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 09:37:05AM -0800, Nathaniel Gray wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:27 AM,

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-02-27 Thread William Neumann
The Jan. 11, 2008 pdf copy of his book says: This book has been submitted for publication by Cambridge University Press. This draft may be used until the time the book appears in print I don't know what the current status of that publication is, however. 2009/2/27 Nathaniel Gray

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-02-27 Thread Jon Harrop
On Friday 27 February 2009 18:52:25 William Neumann wrote: The Jan. 11, 2008 pdf copy of his book says: This book has been submitted for publication by Cambridge University Press. This draft may be used until the time the book appears in print I don't know what the current status of that

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-02-27 Thread Jon Harrop
On Friday 27 February 2009 20:22:04 Jason Hickey wrote: Thank you for pointing this out, I was unaware of this book. My book on OCaml (currently circulating as an online pdf) is under contract with Cambridge University Press. When will CUP publish it? I haven't read Mr. Rentsch's book (I

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-02-27 Thread Dario Teixeira
Hi, Oh dear. Then I am very sorry to tell you that Tim Rentsch's book is virtually identical to your own, having been tweaked just enough to evade copyright. Should this be confirmed (namely by Jason Hickey himself), the comments section at Amazon and other online stores may prove useful in

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Jones
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:52:25PM -0600, William Neumann wrote: The Jan. 11, 2008 pdf copy of his book says: This book has been submitted for publication by Cambridge University Press. This draft may be used until the time the book appears in print I don't know what the current status of

Re: [Caml-list] The new OCaml book (Objective Caml Programming Language by Tim Rentsch)

2009-02-27 Thread Richard Jones
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:22:04PM -0800, Jason Hickey wrote: Thank you for pointing this out, I was unaware of this book. My book on OCaml (currently circulating as an online pdf) is under contract with Cambridge University Press. I haven't read Mr. Rentsch's book (I just ordered a copy