Re: [ccp4bb] iMosflm in 6.1 under OS X

2008-12-18 Thread Winter, G (Graeme)
Dear Engin, Yep, I can reproduce this using a binary installation myself - that would be a bug. We (CCP4) will look into it and get a fix to you as soon as possible. Thanks for the report, Graeme CCP4 Support Team -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 6.1.0 release and CCP4MG

2008-12-18 Thread Winter, G (Graeme)
Dear Victor, The CCP4mg package is just about to be updated to version 2 built around Qt rather than the old Python/Tcl/Tk version. The former version was highly platform specific and would have required rather a large number of system permutations - this would make the load on the server as you

Re: [ccp4bb] iMosflm in 6.1 under OS X

2008-12-18 Thread Randy Read
Strange ... I just updated to OS 10.5.6, and fully expected to have to reinstall X11 yet again, but I still have 2.3.1 on my machine after the update. Odd that it should be inconsistent from one machine to another. Randy Read On 17 Dec 2008, at 22:54, William G. Scott wrote: Please, we

Re: [ccp4bb] iMosflm in 6.1 under OS X

2008-12-18 Thread Andreas Förster
This doesn't seem to be a general phenomenon. My xquartz is still 2.3.1 after installing the latest service pack (Leopard 6). Andreas William G. Scott wrote: Please, we all need to mention this to the Apple people. This is totally unacceptable. On Dec 17, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Engin Ozkan

Re: [ccp4bb] iMosflm in 6.1 under OS X

2008-12-18 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Hi Randy and Andreas, I wouldn't rely on the reported XQuartz version after updating to 10.5.6, but rather re-install the most recent version of Xquartz again, to be on the safe side. Best regards, Dirk. P.S.: This version allows to overwrite the X11 resolution with the command

Re: [ccp4bb] iMosflm in 6.1 under OS X

2008-12-18 Thread Engin Ozkan
I have a theory. Automated software updates did not update many computers correctly, macs in our lab hung at configuring installation and had to be restarted. This phenomenon is observed by many, and consider yourself lucky, if you haven't (Apple might have fixed it by now).

[ccp4bb] FW: Refmac 5.5 vs 5.2; repost with data

2008-12-18 Thread Sean Devenish
Hi all, I have just installed the new CCP4I package for Windows, and refined a structure I was working on using an older version (CCP4I 6.0.2), and the refinement statistics are significantly worse when using the same input files. Under Refmac 5.2 the details were: $$ Ncyc Rfact

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: Refmac 5.5 vs 5.2; repost with data

2008-12-18 Thread Stephen Cusack
Dear Sean, I have noticed this and more to the point the geometry as assessed by MOLPROBITY is much worse for the latest version of REFMAC (3.0068). I have tested a few other versions of REFMAC and the results vary quite a lot. For exactly the same run, I get the best results with an

Re: [ccp4bb] Depositing coordinates with riding hydrogens

2008-12-18 Thread Ed Pozharski
Jon, Riding hydrogens are *not* part of your model, they are part of the algorithm used to predict observations. Thus, the information is automatically included when you report the software used for refinement. There are definitely some (many) parameters that are never included in the deposited

[ccp4bb] Omitted parameters

2008-12-18 Thread Ed Pozharski
As a follow-up to the question posted by Jon Winger regarding riding hydrogens, do we all agree that the current PDB format does not allow complete reconstruction of the final stage refinement? For instance, the geometry weight factor is never reported. Second question: is it important to make

[ccp4bb] The BNL-Biology and NSLS Course on Synchrotron Data Collection: Please Apply

2008-12-18 Thread Robert Sweet
We are offering RapiData 2009, the eleventh offering of our popular course: Rapid Data Collection and Structure Solving at the NSLS: A Practical Course in Macromolecular X-Ray Diffraction Measurement The course will be held 19-24 April 2009. Students could be at any level from

[ccp4bb] imosflm and ccp4 v6.1 on linux

2008-12-18 Thread Carr, SB (Stephen)
Dear all, I have just installed ccp4 v6.1 on a linux box running centos 5.1. Most things seem to be working fine, but when I attempt to launch imosflm from the gui I get the following message: Error in startup script: can't create directory : no such file or directory while executing file

Re: [ccp4bb] Depositing coordinates with riding hydrogens

2008-12-18 Thread Pavel Afonine
On 12/18/2008 7:23 AM, Ed Pozharski wrote: Riding hydrogens are *not* part of your model, The fact that you don't see H in your fo-fc map due to limited resolution and high level of noise does not mean that H atoms are not present in actual real structure -:) There are definitely some

Re: [ccp4bb] imosflm and ccp4 v6.1 on linux

2008-12-18 Thread Ronan Keegan
Hi Stephen, Have you a project set up in CCP4i? Make sure that your CCP4i project directory is set before you try to start Imosflm. When run through CCP4i, Imosflm uses this directory to write it's output files. You can set the project directory by clicking on the DirectoriesProjectsDir

Re: [ccp4bb] Depositing coordinates with riding hydrogens

2008-12-18 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Ed, Riding hydrogens are *not* part of your model, they are part of the algorithm used to predict observations. snip As a diversion from PDB-ology I would point out that, according to Bayesian statistics, of which the maximum-likelihood method is a

Re: [ccp4bb] Depositing coordinates with riding hydrogens

2008-12-18 Thread Ed Pozharski
Riding hydrogens are *not* part of your model, The fact that you don't see H in your fo-fc map due to limited resolution and high level of noise does not mean that H atoms are not present in actual real structure -:) Let me ask you this - are bond length restraints part of the *model*?

[ccp4bb] ions vs atom scat fac

2008-12-18 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Dear All, I wonder whether someone has a quick authoritative answer (admitting a little rtfm or rtfc on my side might help) how refinement programs read and understand the charged symbols MG2+ for example and whether they properly use the corresponding scattering factor curves. Does everyone

Re: [ccp4bb] Depositing coordinates with riding hydrogens

2008-12-18 Thread Pavel Afonine
On 12/18/2008 8:23 AM, Ed Pozharski wrote: Riding hydrogens are *not* part of your model, The fact that you don't see H in your fo-fc map due to limited resolution and high level of noise does not mean that H atoms are not present in actual real structure -:) Let me ask you

[ccp4bb] Applications for synchrotron beam time 2009 at EMBL Hamburg

2008-12-18 Thread Victor Lamzin
Call for access to Synchrotron Beamline Facilities 2009 EMBL Hamburg, Germany We announce a call for synchrotron beam time applications in biological small-angle scattering (SAXS) and X-ray crystallography (PX). Up to 32 weeks of beam time will be available at

[ccp4bb] Transferring a Free R set.

2008-12-18 Thread Alun R. Coker
Hi All, I have been in the habit of transferring my initial free R assignments to any new data sets or to isomorphous data sets such as substrate complexes. Although theoretically this is necessary to obtain a valid free R many of my colleagues maintain that this is completely unnecessary

Re: [ccp4bb] Depositing coordinates with riding hydrogens

2008-12-18 Thread Ed Pozharski
- bond length restraints do not contribute to the scattering and hence do not affect the R-factors, while H atoms do contribute to scattering and therefore R-factors computed from the model with or without hydrogens can be different (I spent a couple of months implementing it in PHENIX and I

Re: [ccp4bb] Depositing coordinates with riding hydrogens

2008-12-18 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 10:15 -0800, Ethan A Merritt wrote: The riding-hydrogen treatment is definitely part of the model. But the number of parameters associated with it is not derived from the number of individual hydrogen atoms and their coordinates, it is limited to the number of parameters

Re: [ccp4bb] Transferring a Free R set.

2008-12-18 Thread Kay Diederichs
Alun R. Coker schrieb: Hi All, I have been in the habit of transferring my initial free R assignments to any new data sets or to isomorphous data sets such as substrate complexes. Although theoretically this is necessary to obtain a valid free R many of my colleagues maintain that this is

Re: [ccp4bb] Transferring a Free R set.

2008-12-18 Thread Mark J. van Raaij
Hi Alun, If it's necessary in theory, and it's little effort, why not do it? Even if in practise it may be not necessary, I think not doing it is a sign of sloppy science - on a par with not sequencing your inserts to confirm absence of unwanted PCR mutations, checking by Edman

Re: [ccp4bb] Depositing coordinates with riding hydrogens

2008-12-18 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Ed, I didn't really open a can of worms... Sorry if I did! But there are many things affecting R-factors not being reported. Do I have to deposit the bulk solvent mask? Not that many and most of them are reported (at least those that may affect the R-factor significantly). The model

Re: [ccp4bb] Transferring a Free R set.

2008-12-18 Thread Borhani, David
Alun, Kay is right on target; I think there is no debate about that you must use one FreeR set for all (even marginally*) isomorphous crystals. Your colleagues who are not following this practice are not doing themselves any favors. If you don't keep the same FreeR set, R Rfree for that 2nd

Re: [ccp4bb] Transferring a Free R set.

2008-12-18 Thread Mark Wilson
Alun, I agree completely with previously stated opinions (and your practice) that preservation of a single test set is very important for the refinement of similar structures. One complication that for spacegroups in which there is a potential axis-indexing ambiguity (e.g. certain trigonal

Re: [ccp4bb] Transferring a Free R set.

2008-12-18 Thread Edward A. Berry
Alun R. Coker wrote: Hi All, I have been in the habit of transferring my initial free R assignments to any new data sets or to isomorphous data sets such as substrate complexes. Although theoretically this is necessary to obtain a valid free R many of my colleagues maintain that this is

Re: [ccp4bb] Transferring a Free R set.

2008-12-18 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Alun I've never seen a soaked ligand-bound structure that's truly isomorphous with the native - simply soaking freezing the crystal is virtually guaranteed to introduce very serious non-isomorphism, e.g. up to 5% change in one or more cell parameters. At least, we always have a MR step to

Re: [ccp4bb] Transferring a Free R set.

2008-12-18 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
a few öre's worth from sweden ... there is a surprising number of deposited ligand structures where re-refinement shows that the ligand is built into noise. nope, not surprised at all: - http://xray.bmc.uu.se/cgi-bin/gerard/reprint_mailer.pl?pref=89 -

[ccp4bb] Ordering a cDNA library

2008-12-18 Thread Rajan Pillai
Hi All, Apologies for a non-CCP4 question. I want to clone a couple of proteins of human and mouse origin. Can anyone tell me where from I can order Human and mouse (brain/liver) cDNA library? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Rajan