Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand occupancy refinement ~2.0Ang

2013-04-12 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
Thank you Sir. With Regards Kavya > So there is a CCP4 GUI > > Just prepare a txt file with the relevant occupancykeywords and use it in > the GUI under 'Refmac keyword file' > > Best > R > > From my iPhone > > On 12 Apr 2013, at 19:50, "Kavyashree Manjunath" > wrote: > >> Respected Sir, >>

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-12 Thread Ed Pozharski
On 04/12/2013 06:03 PM, Nat Echols wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Boaz Shaanan mailto:bshaa...@exchange.bgu.ac.il>> wrote: Whichever way the input file for the run is prepared (via GUI or command line), anybody who doesn't inspect the log file at the end of the run is doome

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-12 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Boaz Shaanan wrote: > Whichever way the input file for the run is prepared (via GUI or command > line), anybody who doesn't inspect the log file at the end of the run is > doomed and bound to commit senseless errors. I was taught a long time ago > that computers a

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Robbie Joosten
Waters are moved during annotation using the perceived space group's symmetry operation. So if the authors give the wrong space group, then the annotation pipeline understandably messes things up. If the originally uploaded PDB file was kept by PDBe, then the problem can be recovered quite easily b

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-12 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi Nat, Whichever way the input file for the run is prepared (via GUI or command line), anybody who doesn't inspect the log file at the end of the run is doomed and bound to commit senseless errors. I was taught a long time ago that computers always do what you told them to do and not what yo

Re: [ccp4bb] Unexplained negative fo-fc

2013-04-12 Thread Laurie Betts
My experience is also that the bulk solvent model sometimes makes the mask exclude internal large cavities. Laurie Betts On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Pavel Afonine wrote: > P.S.: you are not alone having such R-factors > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Jan van Agthoven wrote: >> >>> Co

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Pavel Afonine
In this particular case attempting to calculate R-factor using data and model files and making sure that the R you get is not twice as large as published one would entirely suffice -:) Pavel On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Eugene Osipov wrote: > In my opinion pdb must perform more strict chec

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Garib N Murshudov
It is typo: R factor for p212121 - 0.4 for p21212- around 0.18 Although water seem to have been moved around using p212121 On 12 Apr 2013, at 16:33, Phoebe A. Rice wrote: > Looks like a typo to me: if you change the CRYST space group record from > P212121 to P21212, as th

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Savvas Savvides
i meant to say P21212 On 12 Apr 2013, at 21:47, Savvas Savvides wrote: > The CRYST1 in the pdb header is problematic. > CRYST1 95.520 47.815 88.570 90.00 90.00 90.00 P 21 21 218 > it looks like the number '1' was paired to the space group rather than the > space grop number (i.e.

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Savvas Savvides
The CRYST1 in the pdb header is problematic. CRYST1 95.520 47.815 88.570 90.00 90.00 90.00 P 21 21 218 it looks like the number '1' was paired to the space group rather than the space grop number (i.e. nr. 18 for P21212) Table 1 in the paper specifies P212121 as the space group.

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Eugene Osipov
In my opinion pdb must perform more strict checks of structures. I can remember at least 2 structures without OXT entry for C terminal tail . Of course rcsb won't accept my fixes. As graduate student I am not sure that I can point out mistakes to unknown author 12.04.2013 23:34 пользователь "Eugen

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Pavel Afonine
This explains why I cannot reproduce published R-factors (with files from PDB I get ~40%). If I force my favorite refinement program to use P21212 then I get R close to reported in PDB file header. This makes it worth reminding that it's rarely a good idea to edit PDB file out of refinement. Pavel

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Eugene Osipov
Not only 118, look at 119 . It seems also that residues 82-88 incorrectly placed . I think that authors (if they are reading this board ) must fix errors. To be honest this is not first time I see such models. 12.04.2013 23:17 пользователь "Michel Fodje" написал: By the way, you will need to sho

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Phoebe A. Rice
Looks like a typo to me: if you change the CRYST space group record from P212121 to P21212, as the paper says it is, the packing problem goes away. ++ Phoebe A. Rice Dept. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology The University of Chicago 773 834 1723; pr...@u

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Michel Fodje
By the way, you will need to show symmetry atoms to see the problem. >-Original Message- >From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of >Michel Fodje >Sent: April-12-13 1:14 PM >To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK >Subject: [ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure > >Has anyone else notic

[ccp4bb] Puzzling Structure

2013-04-12 Thread Michel Fodje
Has anyone else noticed a problem with the structure of the N-terminal capsid domain of HIV-2 PDB 2wlv. Load it up to in coot and navigate to residue B118. /Michel.

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-12 Thread James Stroud
On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:44 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: > What, I'm afraid, people rarely realise these days, is that their desktops > are, essentially, GUIs to various OS features, so they obviously use GUI more > frequently than they think :) After all, this is all matter of habits an

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-12 Thread eugene . krissinel
What, I'm afraid, people rarely realise these days, is that their desktops are, essentially, GUIs to various OS features, so they obviously use GUI more frequently than they think :) After all, this is all matter of habits and training, and the reality is that people get more and more GUI-orient

Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand occupancy refinement ~2.0Ang

2013-04-12 Thread Steiner, Roberto
So there is a CCP4 GUI Just prepare a txt file with the relevant occupancykeywords and use it in the GUI under 'Refmac keyword file' Best R >From my iPhone On 12 Apr 2013, at 19:50, "Kavyashree Manjunath" wrote: > Respected Sir, > > I saw this option in refmac5 - 5.6.0037, (I use > refm

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-12 Thread James Holton
I agree with Nat. There are good GUIs and bad GUIs, just like there are good command-line programs and bad command-line programs. Bad programs are easy to write and good ones are hard. Conservation of "work" I think. -James Holton MAD Scientist On 4/12/2013 10:38 AM, Nat Echols wrote: On F

Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand occupancy refinement ~2.0Ang

2013-04-12 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
Respected Sir, I saw this option in refmac5 - 5.6.0037, (I use refmac5-5.6.0117), but is this option present in GUI? Thanking you With Regards Kavya > Dear Kavya > > What about using occupancy refinement in refmac? > link http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/groups/murshudov/ follow occupancy > refinem

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-12 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM, James Holton wrote: > But, when it comes to GUIs, I have always found them counterproductive. > In my humble opinion, the purpose of computers and other machines is to DO > work for me, not create work for me, and I already have enough buttons to > push each day

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-12 Thread James Holton
Alright, alright, I should thank Eugene for being such a good sport. And I should also apologize for all the work I just created for him! I fully appreciate all the years and years of effort and struggle that has gone into making ccp4i and other crystallographic GUIs the accessible tools

Re: [ccp4bb] DNA structures superimpose

2013-04-12 Thread Barry Finzel
Measuring Angles is another matter, but the superposition services of the DrugSite will align an arbitrary selection of DNA residues (the moving molecule) onto a target residue selection on another structure. The selection can include a duplex, or even a duplex and some protein residues.

Re: [ccp4bb] Unexplained negative fo-fc

2013-04-12 Thread Pavel Afonine
P.S.: you are not alone having such R-factors On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Jan van Agthoven wrote: > >> Could this be due to an excessive low R >> factor that phenix.refine has generated: R=17.9 and Rfree=23.3 at a >> resolution of 2.85 A? > > Histogram of Rwork for models in PDB at resolutio

Re: [ccp4bb] Unexplained negative fo-fc

2013-04-12 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi, not knowing other details, the most naive guess is that this may be a footprint of mask-based bulk-solvent model. Next one is that you are contouring at too low/high level (note, sometimes, if, for instance, solvent content is high, you need to look above/below 3sigma). Of course, there could

Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand occupancy refinement ~2.0Ang

2013-04-12 Thread Steiner, Roberto
Dear Kavya What about using occupancy refinement in refmac? link http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/groups/murshudov/ follow occupancy refinement. R On 12 Apr 2013, at 17:12, Kavyashree Manjunath wrote: > Dear users, > > Is it advisable to refine the occupancy of > a ligand for a 2.0Ang data by

[ccp4bb] Ligand occupancy refinement ~2.0Ang

2013-04-12 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
Dear users, Is it advisable to refine the occupancy of a ligand for a 2.0Ang data by approximately changing the values of occupancy based on its b-factor? After refinement, there were some negative densities appearing in some parts of the ligand, like at the centre of a pyrimidine ring, so I expec

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac error

2013-04-12 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Peer, can you send the output of the command ls -l /share/prog64/ccp4-6.3.0/lib/data/monomers/list/mon_lib_list.cif Best, Tim On 04/12/2013 04:11 PM, Peer Mittl wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > For some reason Refmac refuses to read the file "mo

[ccp4bb] Refmac error

2013-04-12 Thread Peer Mittl
Dear Colleagues, For some reason Refmac refuses to read the file "mon_lib_list.cif" athough the file exists. The error message is as follows:  Open failed: Unit:   7, File: /share/prog64/ccp4-6.3.0/lib/data/monomers/list/mon_lib_list.cif (logical: /share/prog64/ccp4-6.3.0/lib/data/monomers/l

Re: [ccp4bb] DNA structures superimpose

2013-04-12 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
LSQMAN aligns just about anything, incl. DNA and RNA - http://xray.bmc.uu.se/usf/lsqman_man.html There's a ready-to-use macro that will do all the hard work for you - ftp://xray.bmc.uu.se/pub/gerard/omac/align_rna.lsqmac - there's one line that may need editing, it defines the name of the nomi

Re: [ccp4bb] DNA structures superimpose

2013-04-12 Thread Ed. Pozharski
Doesn't lsqkab work? It just needs proper atom matching.  Coot definitely does superimpose DNA.  One problem is that simple-lsq works on a single chain, but you can trick it by changing chain id and renumbering the other strand. As for helix rotation, you can derive it from rotation reported by

[ccp4bb] Survey on Software and Data Management Tools for Integrated Structural Biology

2013-04-12 Thread Chris Morris
Hi, This questionnaire is designed to test the hypothesis that developments in Structural Biology methods are creating a need for new forms of facility access, processing and modelling software, and data archives: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZH565SN We would be very grateful for your input

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Grant Renewal

2013-04-12 Thread Martin Noble
Hi Phil, Since these will be mostly used for numbers, and supplied only if BBSRC change their mind about wanting to see the specific letters, I would say that people doing high impact research (which should include anyone who has been funded), might contribute their penny's worth. We will be

[ccp4bb] CCP4 Grant Renewal

2013-04-12 Thread Martin Noble
Dear BBer, As I hope you are all aware CCP4 has been well supported throughout its existence by BBSRC grant income. This Research Council funding is vital for the continued success of the CCP4 collaboration and to support its software development, distribution, and out-reach activities. This

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

2013-04-12 Thread Harry Powell
Hi I'd second NX; you can install a free server for one or two (I think - I only use one at a time ;-)) concurrent connections and a local client, then it's almost "like being there". On 11 Apr 2013, at 22:54, Dyda wrote: > Or nx, which works very well, although the server has to be installed